(Ovid) RE(2): I voted -- and I am a hypocrite.
by Ovid (Cardinal) on Aug 22, 2000 at 22:05 UTC
I would just like to make it clear, for the record, that I am a hypocrite. I've complained about anonymous -- votes before, but I couldn't be bothered to post a reason on this particular -- vote. I disagreed with KM's suggestion, voted it --, and moved on. Shame on me.
The reason I voted id down is because I disagree with the idea that everything but HTML should be stripped from home nodes (on replies, I have no problem with it, but I didn't see that when I voted it down). Basically, a Monk's home node is their personal space (albeit freely granted by The Everything Development Company) and I can understand why they customize it. I can understand these things being security issues, but part of the problem here is striking a balance between diligence and freedom. Let's face it, one of the things that so many people find appealing about Perlmonks is the customization we can do.
Update: Aargh! After reading through some of the comments and seeing some of the stuff that's going on in the chatterbox, I have to say that I was wrong in the above post. Sometimes kids need to have their toys taken away :(
Basically, a Monk's home node is their personal space (albeit freely granted by The Everything Development Company) and I can understand why they customize it. I can understand these things being security issues, but part of the problem here is striking a balance between diligence and freedom. Let's face it, one of the things that so many people find appealing about Perlmonks is the customization we can do.
Yes, and my physical home is also my home, but the law prevents me from
storing dangerous chemicals or large animals here. It's called "public safety".
I support free speech, but your right to free speech ends right at my browser,
thank you. Browser programmability is unnecessary here at the monastery.
If you wanna do that, link to your own website and put stuff there and invite us.
I'd like the monastery to be a safe place.
-- Randal L. Schwartz, Perl hacker
For me your home node is now a visual booby-trap.
Should embedded CSS become common, I will have to start
consistently avoiding home nodes. If they become used
elsewhere on a regular basis, I will stop visiting PM.
BTW one concern of mine. I use a lot of Netscape.
It is very easy to cause serious problems for Netscape
without knowing it, and some here do not care. Should
that become common, you will lose a lot more than
I already avoid home nodes. Several load off-site images,
some of which are actually documented as being used to track
visits to their home node. Several now grab the userpass
cookie, one forwarding it to another site (after stripping
the password -- last time I checked). I don't want to be
the one who finds the first truely nasty home node.
At least non-home nodes very rarely have any interesting
HTML (and those that do usually get voted down -- probably
why this is still rare).
As for home-node buttons that send public chat requests,
I thought the first one was cute but got tired of it before
I even noticed a second one. I've been waiting for the fad
to die but am disappointed so far. I don't mind the buttons
that post private messages back to the node's owner (though
I wonder what the denial-of-service-attack potential for
the node owner or the site is). I particularly like
Adam's random node button. Posting private messages back
to the button pusher is probably harmless.
It is ironic that my favorite web site has also become my
most worrisome. I'm about to switch to my former paranoid
only turning them on for the few sites that both become
useless without them and are important.
A compromise did cross my mind. I'd love to see only
specific HTML tags allowed in posts and home nodes. Then I
could be curious about a monk and not worry about what tricks
they might think are cute today...
But each monk (level 5 and above) could have a "play node"
where they can post any HTML they want to. Then you could
go look at their tricks with the relative safety of knowing
who did it (and that they risked throwing away the time it
took them to get to level 5 if they did something truely
As for off-site links, the browsers I use make it easy to
see where a link is going before I click on it. Plus,
there are plenty of legitimate reasons to have an off-site
link in a post or home node. So I'd not ban those.
(but my friends call me "Tye")
Along these lines I think a possible solution would be to give the user the choice of what to filter out.
In their settings page, give them options to filter out the following:
- Font customizations
- advanced tags (<layer>, <embed>, <iframe>, etc...) # personally I would remove these all the time
- other tags...
- user customized tag entry
Perhaps each of these could even be set via a dropdown. Where the dropdown contains the minimum level of monk you want the tags to be enabled for.
That's what we need more of in Discussion threads, actual discussion. Simply voting -- doesn't lend anything to the topic. In the midst of various opinions and ideas is usually a good compromise and solution.
Let's keep the charm, but keep down the (possible) harm.
I find that interesting--the allowance for additional priviledges. The only priviledges I am aware of (I don't know where a list is to be found) is at level 5 you can post a picture, at level 10 you can approve nodes for posting, but at level 5 you lose your bonus for casting all your votes.
It might make for interesting discussion as to what some monks suggest as to new priveledges. Maybe:
Just some ideas. I am sure there are more out there.
- An option for random pictures in home nodes at level 7
- Regular columns for the top ranking saints
- Doing away with the "Think Geek" banner at level 2 :)
Only rarely, but I do use -- votes for clearly incorrect
nodes that I felt showed a lack of willingness to learn
something I thought was important. Something that
should have been obvious from what else was
going on. (Such as the surrounding
So I vote down nodes almost entirely on content.
BTW I use a similar (though far more generous) criteria
for ++ votes...
Ugh. The "similar" comment is unclear. :-(
I meant that I vote nodes up based almost entirely on
content. I am particularly generous when it is something
that I thought was important, or something that I learned