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Re: Advancing oneself personally and professionally as a programmer (discussion)

by coreolyn (Parson)
on Aug 29, 2001 at 18:04 UTC ( #108755=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??

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Get the degree! I'm 41 and for many reasons did not finish getting my own. IT wasn't a real option in 78 (unless you found COBAL/FORTRAN appealing). I have survived and know that I can figure a way to keep the money coming in, but what I don't have, no matter how articulate, creative, or acurate I am, is the type of validation that comes from the degree. When I enter into conversation with my peers my opinion is always a little less and never quite as valid. Not because of any lack of perception or intelligence, just simply because I don't have the damn piece of paper. I can monetarily compete, but always from a weaker social position. It may take 20 years but you will regret not getting as much schooling as possible. Your life may take turns that deny you the wonderful pleasure of recieving knowlege in a good environment. Get it while you can as it is one of the few things that can't be taken from you once you have it.

Sidenote: One big reason I didn't finish my degree was due to indulging in Castenadas philosophy and checking out Shroons, Peyote, LSD, and whatever. While fascinating and makes for adding color to my life it sure the hell wasn't worth the 20 years of uphill climbing I've spent since those days having to prove that I'm a valuable member of society

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(pmas) Re2: Advancing oneself personally and professionally
by pmas (Hermit) on Aug 29, 2001 at 19:50 UTC
    (1) Just say NO to drugs. Recent research revealed that evn one-time use of drugs will change chemical reactions of neuro-transmitters. Do not make yourself out of stupid curiosity less resistant to wrong temptations.

    (2) Get a degree, it is a good thing. Anecdotal evidence: my friend in Silicon Valley, smart and expensive IT consultant has PhD degree from Stanford. Nobody ask about the Major - and it is good, because it was Music. He just changed careers. You quite possibly may want to change career, too, and with degree (any degree) it will be easier.

    Also, formal education will give you solid fundament for life-time learning. When you build a house, you start from fundament, right?

    I have nothing against programmers who learned on job (I did it myself for many subjects - when I was in college, structured programming was new thing, and object oriented was rather experimental...), but still it helps to learn it in structured environment, where you think out and discuss all facets of the problem to go behind gut feeling what is good - to have solid understanding what - and why.

    To make errors is human. But to make million errors per second, you need a computer.

Re: Re: Advancing oneself personally and professionally as a programmer (discussion)
by Rudif (Hermit) on Sep 03, 2001 at 01:04 UTC
    >> One big reason I didn't finish my degree was due to indulging in Castenadas philosophy ...

    I was reading Castaneda books around '78 too and what I remember is advice that Don Juan gives to Carlos (quoting approximately from my memory):

    Don't indulge in self-pity. Drop your self-importance.
    Take full responsibility for everything you do, feel and decide.
    Live every day fully, as if it were your last day on Earth.

    I still think it is a sound advice, so I pass it on. It is somewhat lacking on warmth and generosity, but there are other places for that.

    As for mushrooms, teleporting, mind reading and similar Don Juan's stunts, I did not take these seriously. Did I miss something?


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