Re: Making Perl Monks a better place for newbies (and others)

I apologize in advance if I am posting this in the wrong place. I started learning perl in 2016 on my own. When I found the PerlMonks website, I decided to join, because I saw that the site was active. Questions got answered. And the answers were very valuable and helpful. Beginners were not made fun of. I loved the community-styled of the forum. And I also liked the simplicity of the website.

Many sites on the web take a long time to load, because they use various complex JavaScript modules. Many times I found myself reading PerlMonks with my old phone, which of course, has an old web browser called Microsoft Internet Explorer 11. It cannot be replaced or upgraded unless I buy a new phone. Some sites tell me "This site does not support your browser. Please upgrade your browser." and some sites even block all content, so I can't see anything other than the warning message. That is pitiful. JavaScript is mostly used to display ads, and sometimes it's used to display animations which are unnecessary. I hope that PerlMonks will not become one of those flashy sites that will show up incorrectly on older devices. Right now it's pretty good.

When I first joined PerlMonks, I had a hard time understanding the hierarchy of the site. It took me a while to figure out how to post a question. But I figured it out. I have to admit, there are parts of this site which I never use. And there are parts that I use very often. The site presents a lot of information, and most of it I overlook. When I visit the site, my eyes focus on the questions and answers. I also like to see who's online at the moment. Going backward is a bit tricky. I am still not sure how many arrows I have to click on to see the previous page of questions. So, navigation is a bit hard, but you can get used to it.

Yahoo! has been completely redesigned from the ground up when Marissa Mayer became CEO. The new design, however, was a total failure, and a lot of people stopped using Yahoo. Everybody KNEW how to use the old Yahoo, but after the new design, nobody could find anything. Navigation was totally changed. Everything was different, and a people just became frustrated and left. So, sometimes no change is the best policy. Too much change forces people to have to relearn everything. I hated it when our local Walmart Supercenter decided that they are going to reorganize the whole store. They changed everything. Earlier I could walk into the store and find immediately what I was looking for. And then, I had to spend half an hour looking for stuff. When I asked the employees if they know where I can find such and such item, they didn't know either. But that's often what happens when you redesign something or redo from the ground up.

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Re^2: Making Perl Monks a better place for newbies (and others) by soonix (Canon) on Jan 31, 2020 at 08:59 UTC
The boldfaced text in your first paragraph still holds true, at least I hope so :-) The disdain of mandatory Javascript may at least partially also stem from the knowledge that so called "text browsers" exist. I don't use lynx regularly, but just to prove it, I posted this comment with it. BTW a former colleague once said "if you can't get information from a web page with it, it doesn't contain any." I'm willing to concur still today.	[reply]
Re^3: Making Perl Monks a better place for newbies (and others) by Anonymous Monk on Jan 31, 2020 at 10:23 UTC
Yuuup Behold the millions of 5min videos used to read 5 lines of info interspersed with 5 min of jibber jabber	[reply]
Re^2: Making Perl Monks a better place for newbies (and others) by hippo (Bishop) on Jan 31, 2020 at 10:01 UTC
It took me a while to figure out how to post a question. But I figured it out. I wonder if that's a common problem and if so how things could be changed to help. Every page has a link to PerlMonks FAQ which in turn links to I want to ask a question of the Perl Monks; where do I start?. The chatterbox is available on every page - did you try asking there? Did you try the search box? This site seems (to me) to be very well documented and certainly moreso than many others of a similar type but there's always room for improvement.	[reply]
Re^2: Making Perl Monks a better place for newbies (and others) by Anonymous Monk on Jan 31, 2020 at 10:35 UTC
Bold face is considered shouting in written communication. Please emphasize selectively and not whole paragraphs.	[reply]
Re^3: Making Perl Monks a better place for newbies (and others) by soonix (Canon) on Jan 31, 2020 at 11:15 UTC
Bold face is considered shouting… Wasn't that ALL CAPS?	[reply]
Re^4: Making Perl Monks a better place for newbies (and others) by LanX (Saint) on Jan 31, 2020 at 12:38 UTC
> Wasn't that ALL CAPS? Interesting question, I think all caps is just an older variant. Emails and usenet didn't have markup at the beginning. update Do you understand? DO YOU UNDERSTAND? DO YOU UNDERSTAND? Cheers Rolf _{(addicted to the Perl Programming Language :) Wikisyntax for the Monastery FootballPerl is like chess, only without the dice}	[reply]
Re^3: Making Perl Monks a better place for newbies (and others) by haukex (Archbishop) on Jan 31, 2020 at 16:20 UTC
Bold face is considered shouting in written communication. No, it is not, and to my knowledge has never been. Bold is used for emphasis. ALL CAPS is shouting.	[reply]
Re^4: Making Perl Monks a better place for newbies (and others) by Anonymous Monk on Jan 31, 2020 at 19:08 UTC
ok!	[reply]
Re^3: Making Perl Monks a better place for newbies (and others) by Perlbotics (Archbishop) on Jan 31, 2020 at 18:12 UTC
I don't think it's shouting. It's rather read the highlighted stuff in order to get an inlined management summary.	[reply]
Re^4: Making Perl Monks a better place for newbies (and others) by Anonymous Monk on Jan 31, 2020 at 19:06 UTC
About half the text is highlighted	[reply]
Re^5: Making Perl Monks a better place for newbies (and others) by Your Mother (Archbishop) on Jan 31, 2020 at 20:12 UTC
Re^3: Making Perl Monks a better place for newbies (and others) by harangzsolt33 (Chaplain) on Jan 31, 2020 at 16:05 UTC
"The boldfaced text in your first paragraph still holds true, at least I hope so :-)" Yes, it does. "Bold face is considered shouting�" No, I used bold letters just to make my text easier to read and stand out more. And I thought, if someone is in a hurry and just wants to read through quickly, then it's enough if they read the bold letters.	[reply]


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Re: Making Perl Monks a better place for newbies (and others)

ok!