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Re^6: Perl Foundation Community Affairs Team Transparency Report

by syphilis (Archbishop)
on May 09, 2021 at 13:43 UTC ( [id://11132309]=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Re^5: Perl Foundation Community Affairs Team Transparency Report
in thread Perl Foundation Community Affairs Team Transparency Report

IMHO it's not unreasonable for people not to have all the facts, given there's so many outlets for this stuff.

I agree - yet "not having all of the facts" is the exact thing that Neil's letter is complaining about. I gather this is deemed by Neil to be the fault of TPF.

I just hope that, eventually, the whingeing will stop and those that have been appointed to make decisions will be allowed to simply get on with their job.

Cheers,
Rob

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Re^7: Perl Foundation Community Affairs Team Transparency Report
by LanX (Saint) on May 09, 2021 at 17:06 UTC
    > have been appointed to make decisions

    Who has been appointed by whom?

    > I just hope that, eventually, the whingeing will stop

    The TPF is an US organization meant to finance US YAPCs and grants and has no legal authority outside the US or on platforms run by independent volunteers.

    The demonstrated political dilettantism is simply mind-blowing.

    Cheers Rolf
    (addicted to the Perl Programming Language :)
    Wikisyntax for the Monastery

Re^7: Perl Foundation Community Affairs Team Transparency Report
by marto (Cardinal) on May 09, 2021 at 15:48 UTC

    "I just hope that, eventually, the whingeing will stop and those that have been appointed to make decisions will be allowed to simply get on with their job."

    The problem I have with this is covered well in one of our previous discussions. If the person/people in charge aren't making the right decisions without taking what implementers/other party's responsible for doing the work are saying there are going to be big problems.

      If the person/people in charge aren't making the right decisions without taking what implementers/other party's responsible for doing the work are saying there are going to be big problems

      There will always be "implementers/other party's responsible for doing the work" who think that the "person/people in charge aren't making the right decisions".
      If we have to wait for all parties to agree, then we'll be waiting for a very long time.

      The people in charge aren't there to follow the orders (including the mutually exclusive ones) of everybody else.
      They are there to do what they think is right - and at some point they'll have to be given the opportunity to do that.
      I'm not saying that we've reached that point just yet, but if we're never going to let them do their job then there's no point in having them there at all.

      Earlier today, Nicholas Clark posted a PSC meeting report that contained:
      * The intent is that we continue to do timeboxed stable releases annua +lly * When we hit “all the 7 features” then it’s 7 - i.e. most of the chan +ges for 7 may well be released first in 5.x releases. * 7 won’t be infinitely far away - if it turns out that a feature will + take too long, then that’s for 7.x.0, or even 8 * for now the focus is on the obvious low-hanging fruit that can be re +ady for a 5.36.0 * developing the plan for 7 remains on our list, and some of the 5.36 +work may result in things deemed "for 7".
      That's a long way from the perl 7 plans that Sawyer announced, all those months ago. Looks like the message is finally getting through - ie that their only job is to keep everybody happy.

      Anyway ... I'll try to stay quiet about this, now.
      Surely I can find something more worthy of my attention ;-)

      Cheers,
      Rob

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