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Re^5: berrybrew version 1.36 released!

by syphilis (Archbishop)
on Nov 06, 2021 at 12:28 UTC ( #11138499=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??

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in thread berrybrew version 1.36 released!

I'd recommend asking there first if you want to help.

I don't do IRC.
Also, I don't claim that "I want to help".

However, if I was aware of some issue that they're facing, with which I beleieved that I might be able to help, then I would most certainly provide that help.
If the issues are all with the operation of the "ecosystem" then that probably counts me out ... though I wonder that they have not yet been able to patch/replace that ecosystem with something that they can work with.

It's likely that the only things I could help them with are:
1) Updating to a later version of the 64-bit and 32-bit gcc toolchains and mingw runtimes - for which I'd just point them to the ready-built toolchains at that I've been successfully using to build perl and perl extensions for about the last 8 months;
2) Building the C libraries that ship with Strawberry - most of which I've built in the past, and some of which I continue to regularly build;
3) Building problematic "vendor" modules;
4) Building perl itself - though I doubt that's an issue as, these days, perl builds straight out of the box on Windows.

But, AFAICT, they're pretty intent on keeping their cards close to their chests, and that's about all I know.


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Re^6: berrybrew version 1.36 released!
by stevieb (Canon) on Nov 06, 2021 at 15:59 UTC

    I appreciate all the responses here!

    syphilis, do you have any documentation or details you could share with me in regards to the stuff you do build? Perhaps if I had a bit of an idea, it'll give me enough to put the rest of the puzzle together.



      syphilis, do you have any documentation or details you could share with me in regards to the stuff you do build ?

      As a general rule, I build the C libraries in an MSYS2 (bash) shell, following the usual unix approach of running:
      ./configure <args> make make test make install
      AFAIK, Strawberry do it the same way. (Well ... their builds are possibly scripted, whereas mine are mostly done manually.)
      And the gcc toolchain that builds these libraries is the same gcc toolchain that built perl.

      But the devil will always be in the detail - there might be a library that requires a slightly different mantra in order to build, so one needs to follow the procedure recommended by the vendor.
      And, of course, Strawberry has to be mindful of portability and relocatability issues whereas, building only for myself, portability and relocatability are rarely a consideration.

      At this late stage, if they're having trouble getting the libraries updated, I would be totally forgiving of the guys working on the Strawberry 5.34.0 releases if they just recycled the 5.32.1 releases, except that perl-5.32.1 be replaced with perl-5.34.0.
      And then start working towards getting the libraries and gcc toolchain updated for the 5.34.1 or 5.36.0 releases.

      Anyway ... 2 things I would recommend that you do are:
      1) Install MSYS2 and familiarize yourself with building some of those C libraries for Windows using a mingw-w64 port of gcc in that MSYS2 shell;
      2) Familiarize yourself with building perl from source on Windows.
      Perhaps you're already well on the way with one or both of those points. (I didn't mean to imply that I'm assuming you aren't ;-)
      If you need any assistance with any of the specifics, just let us know and I'll certainly respond.

      Recently, Strawberry Perl started building their gcc compiler from source.
      I don't think that's necessary - I think they could just grab one of the ones from winlibs.
      But I'm assuming there's no licensing issue in doing that. I don't know much about licensing, but the winlibs home page lists the licenses of the various components of the downloads provided.

        Starting point:

        Its README says "Perl::Dist::Strawberry is just a helper module for the main script" - so that "main script" is probably also a part of the starting point.
        If someone knows what/where that main script is, then that info might also help stevieb.

Re^6: berrybrew version 1.36 released!
by LanX (Sage) on Nov 06, 2021 at 13:53 UTC

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