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Re^3: Demotions of monks
by erzuuli (Cannon) on Jan 05, 2022 at 14:03 UTC
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fyi, "pope" means "father", so...
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Patriarch and Pope ("pappas") both derive from the Greek word for father.
AFAICS did the Latin church borrow the title from some Eastern Churches, the Coptic Patriarch is still referred to as Pope ("Al Baba").
Update
Compare also Patriarch of the West
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> Patriarch and Pope ("pappas") both derive from the Greek word for father.
I have to correct myself, there is some confusion regarding patriarch, the official etymology says "founder of the family" from Ancient Greek πατριά (patriá, “generation, ancestry, descent, tribe, family”)
From Middle English patriark, patriarche, from Late Latin patriarcha; later reinforced by Old French patriarche, from Byzantine Greek πατριάρχης (patriárkhēs, “the founder of the tribe/family”), from Ancient Greek πατριά (patriá, “generation, ancestry, descent, tribe, family”) + -ᾰ́ρχης (-árkhēs, “-arch”), with some senses likely influenced directly by Latin pāter (“father”) or Ancient Greek πᾰτήρ (patḗr, “father”). Compare matriarch. Surface analysis patri- + -arch.
Tho the similarities between patria and pater are certainly not accidental.
So bottom line, patriarch is less gender specific than pope.
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fyi, "pope" means "father", so...
... so there's even more gender-bias than I had noticed !!
Has it actually been ascertained that if the Vatican was to appoint a female Pope in the future that she could not be referred to as "the pope" ?
I'm guessing that the notion of a female Pope is so unthinkable to the Vatican (and its adherents), that her actual title has not yet been considered.
Cheers,
Rob
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Pope Joan was a female pope from a legend.
> subsequent popes were subjected to an examination whereby, having sat on a so-called sedia stercoraria or "dung chair" containing a hole, a cardinal had to reach up and establish that the new pope had testicles, before announcing "Duos habet et bene pendentes" ("He has two, and they dangle nicely").
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Maria Theresa of Austria was crowned "King" of Hungary
Elizabeth II is still "Duke" of Normandy
The monastery is a game where people pretend to be in a religious hierarchy.°
Do you really want to deny to women the joy to acquire the title of a pope?
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It might come as a surprise, but I never wore red during my tenure as cardinal and I never expected "lower ranks" to kiss my ring.
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Re^3: Demotions of monks
by davido (Cardinal) on Jan 05, 2022 at 17:55 UTC
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Parriarch might be less specific, although more obscure.
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Re^3: Demotions of monks (updated)
by LanX (Saint) on Jan 05, 2022 at 12:00 UTC
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confusing patriarch with matriarch?
What about renaming the rank to pmatriarch? That would include the male AND the female form, and is also a play on the abbreviation of our site ....
We could also determine the name of the rank below vroom by a poll ...
Have a great 2022! Rata
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"female-exclusive" means "exclusively female", i.e. no males allowed.
She probably meant female-excludent
Anyway, the word "monk" is male! °
There has always been a "generic male form" in grammar.
my 2cents: It would be far more efficient to exclude female forms in favour of the generic male, hence abandoning "explicit male" too, instead of inventing new grammar.
The originally male forms are normally shorter.
°) do you want to register a new sites for perlnuns?
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Re^3: Demotions of monks
by Anonymous Monk on Jan 05, 2022 at 11:48 UTC
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It's ok, none of them are female. | [reply] |
