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Re^4: Demotions of monks

by LanX (Saint)
on Jan 05, 2022 at 16:02 UTC ( [id://11140177]=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Re^3: Demotions of monks
in thread Demotions of monks

Patriarch and Pope ("pappas") both derive from the Greek word for father.

AFAICS did the Latin church borrow the title from some Eastern Churches, the Coptic Patriarch is still referred to as Pope ("Al Baba").

Update

Compare also Patriarch of the West

Cheers Rolf
(addicted to the Perl Programming Language :)
Wikisyntax for the Monastery

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Re^5: Demotions of monks
by LanX (Saint) on Jan 06, 2022 at 14:26 UTC
    > Patriarch and Pope ("pappas") both derive from the Greek word for father.

    I have to correct myself, there is some confusion regarding patriarch, the official etymology says "founder of the family" from Ancient Greek πατριά (patriá, “generation, ancestry, descent, tribe, family”)

      From Middle English patriark, patriarche, from Late Latin patriarcha; later reinforced by Old French patriarche, from Byzantine Greek πατριάρχης (patriárkhēs, “the founder of the tribe/family”), from Ancient Greek πατριά (patriá, “generation, ancestry, descent, tribe, family”) + -ᾰ́ρχης (-árkhēs, “-arch”), with some senses likely influenced directly by Latin pāter (“father”) or Ancient Greek πᾰτήρ (patḗr, “father”). Compare matriarch. Surface analysis patri- +‎ -arch.

    Tho the similarities between patria and pater are certainly not accidental.

    So bottom line, patriarch is less gender specific than pope.

    Cheers Rolf
    (addicted to the Perl Programming Language :)
    Wikisyntax for the Monastery

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