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Help to have real Perl's advantage

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Re: Help to have real Perl's advantage
by eyepopslikeamosquito (Bishop) on Jan 07, 2022 at 04:11 UTC

    Good to see the huge amount of careful thought and effort you've put into constructing such a clear and eloquently phrased question. ;-)

    > bur really need thing on Perl working in tandem

    Do you need Perl working on Tandem Computers? If so, please provide some background and context on why that's important to you.

    > IMHO it's urgent to have Perl working cooperatively side by side Julia smoothly, so how to set up to perfectly obtain so ?

    Do you need Perl working side by side with the Julia programming language? Again, please tell us why this is urgent and important to you. What real-world problem are you trying to solve?

    Update: Or do you urgently need Perl to work cooperatively side by side with Julia (and George) smoothly and perfectly while filming their latest romcom Ticket to Paradise in sunny Queensland?

    This sort of question comes up so often, I keep list of links comparing Perl to other programming languages:

Re: Help to have real Perl's advantage
by jmlynesjr (Deacon) on Jan 08, 2022 at 00:36 UTC

    Could it be that English is not the OPs native language? I would have trouble asking a question on Perl Monks Tibet!

    Can we be a little more open minded?

    James

    There's never enough time to do it right, but always enough time to do it over...

      If you or I were to attempt to ask a question on Perl Monks Tibet we would no doubt provide a carefully-crafted piece of code to illustrate the question as unambiguously as possible. Our anonymous brother has chosen not to do that and therefore the question as posed is simply too vague.

      I would probably also try to ask the question in both Tibetan and English for extra clarity in case my rusty Tibetan made little or no sense. The OP has not done that either.

      Hopefully they will return soon and explain what the post really means.


      🦛

        Fair enough...

        James

        There's never enough time to do it right, but always enough time to do it over...

      I too assumed that English is not the OP's native language.

      Given the only link provided in the borderline incomprehensible post was Hacker News: Why is Perl so dwarfed in data science by Python?, I assumed the OP either worked in the Scientific or Computing field, or both, or was at least a keen amateur.

      Here's the riddle though. English has become the dominant language in both Science and Computing nowadays. So much so, that I can't imagine a present-day professional scientist or software engineer surviving without a decent command of English -- interested to hear from LanX or other European monks on this topic BTW.

      Moreover, I was recently able to wind up both Karl and LanX in German -- despite being perhaps the worst German speaker in the world -- simply by using an online English to German translator.

      So I don't have a lot of sympathy for the appalling quality of the OP's post and am at a loss as to how it might be plausibly explained. Sadly, it's looking increasingly likely we'll never hear from him/her again. :(

      Update: I further noticed the OP claimed to have "read then concluded from" the long Hacker News thread cited above (which is all in English). BTW, I'm old enough to have been flabbergasted by the rapid rise of English as a lingua franca during the past fifty years -- completely different to when I was a boy! :)

        Machine translators usually work well for resource rich languages (German being one of them). Smaller or minority languages are usually much less covered and their speakers may have more problems. Also, there are some sectors of science that don't use English so heavily (imagine a linguist interested in a minority language, or a historian focused on a territory with no English influence).

        Nevertheless, to get my MA, I needed to read a scientific book in English, and it was the previous millennium, and I guess the requirements are even more demanding nowadays.

        map{substr$_->[0],$_->[1]||0,1}[\*||{},3],[[]],[ref qr-1,-,-1],[{}],[sub{}^*ARGV,3]
        Hello eyepopslikeamosquito

        > Here's the riddle though. English has become the dominant language in both Science and Computing nowadays. So much so, that I can't imagine a present-day professional scientist or software engineer surviving without a decent command of English -- interested to hear from LanX or other European monks on this topic BTW.

        I qualify as European Monk being Eatalian :) yes English skill is a must-have: when my son was following the programming course at university (a Python course..) I told him: "look at this book: it will be the last one you read in Eatalian".

        Infact I cannot even imagine a system or network administrator or a programmer ignorning English.. even if I recall LanX asking for perl books in German..

        Even if I never studied English, nowadays I dont remeber if I have read a tech paper in English or in Italian.

        The whole story could have been different if Olivetti had succes, but, the history is written by winners :) so now everything in the tech world is in English.

        The real trouble is that English is a heap of exceptions (at least as seen from a Latin native point of view) and has an incredible proliferation of words because it is spoken in so many countries. This will slow the progress of AI developping because it must to be Arificial Very Intelligent to understand English.

        So English will probably transform into something different, as I say, into Samplish, a language that finally can be teached to everyone if you thinked and buyed a Samplish course; the mouton will be treated as pecora and banned: only sheep will survive.

        Another side of the story is interesting to tell: how tech English modifies other languages.

        French monks will pardon me but I always laugh to ordinateur and fichier instead of computer and file: the french resistence is worth as the Maginot Line.

        In the opposite side we can look at Eatalian, that always used to be a sponge language: we already have implementare from to implement (and it ironically comes from Latin implere ) as new verb and many others like restartare from to restart and triggherato from triggered and so on.. Even worst: our managers studied on English books, so they use customer satisfaction instead of the Eatalian form and everything they can spit: once I counted 14 English words and phrases in a 4 lines email from a collegue.. go figure.. I replied using as many Latin mottos I was able to fit in the response. Yes I'm evil sometimes :)

        So in your sci-fata future :) we will speak Samplish, Shakespeare resting in peace.

        L*

        There are no rules, there are no thumbs..
        Reinvent the wheel, then learn The Wheel; may be one day you reinvent one of THE WHEELS.
        > interested to hear from LanX

        I also sometimes use words I don’t fully understand in an effort to sound photosynthesis.

        So much so, that I can't imagine a present-day professional scientist or software engineer surviving without a decent command of English -- interested to hear from LanX or other European monks on this topic BTW.

        I'm from Austria, so my native language is german*. Most of my software is developed in English and then translated into german when needed. Most of the bigger projects have integrated multi-language support. I reasoned that in case we need to support some foreign language, it would probably be easier to find someone that can speak that language and english that it is to find someone who can do the translation from german to the foreign language.

        You can find people who can speak english in nearly every country. The german language is much harder to learn, and it fell out of favour in many regions of the world. The fact that two World Wars were started by people speaking german also didn't seem to help. So instead of eating Sauerkraut, the U.S. is now eating liberty cabbage.

        * Well, technically, it's "Austria german". We have our own official dictionary and quite a few regional words and phrases.

        perl -e 'use Crypt::Digest::SHA256 qw[sha256_hex]; print substr(sha256_hex("the Answer To Life, The Universe And Everything"), 6, 2), "\n";'
      In the last weeks we had a phase with many poorly phrased lazy questions and no effort to react to advice.

      I think this is hitting on some nerves and stretching tolerance thin. (I don't think this particular OP is the same AnoMonk tho)

      I just stopped feeding, when annoyed.

      Cheers Rolf
      (addicted to the Perl Programming Language :)
      Wikisyntax for the Monastery

Re: Help to have real Perl's advantage
by eyepopslikeamosquito (Bishop) on Jan 13, 2022 at 05:52 UTC

    So sorry not to be real Perl's core

    Our response to this fascinating debut post (which admittedly may have wandered off on a slight tangent ;-) is incomplete without at least trying to understand the (perhaps profound) meaning behind this unconventional opening line.

    What did our unorthodox anonymonk mean by "real Perl's core"? And why feel sorry not to be it? Is there a subtle implication that the OP is a fake Perl core?

    As for what was meant by real Perl core, this is all I could think of:

    Alternative interpretations welcome.

    Update: Just noticed the post title Help to have real Perl's advantage also features the word "real" -- does it mean "genuine" or "occurring in fact; not imagined or supposed"?

      Cor—An object system for the Perl core by Ovid

      Note that this has since had a name change and is now known as Corinna.

      Perl::Core

      This has not yet had a name change but it really should.


      🦛

      > trying to understand the (perhaps profound) meaning

      OK. Let's give it a try ...

        So sorry not to be real Perl's core
      Sorry, if this is OT / not a mainstream approach
        bur really need thing on Perl working in tandem
      But I really need Perl to work in combination with my other tools
        after long research, observation and analysis,
      after long research, observation and analysis, and thorough investigation of discussions like Ask HN:Why is Perl so dwarfed in data science by Python?
        IMHO it's urgent to have Perl working cooperatively side by side Julia smoothly
      IMHO it's imperative to build a Perl-Julia something°
        so how to set up to perfectly obtain so ?
      So what's the best way to achieve this?

      ... does it seem plausible? :)

      Cheers Rolf
      (addicted to the Perl Programming Language :)
      Wikisyntax for the Monastery

      °) (qw(bridge cross-compiler deep-integration whatever))(int rand 4)

        Brilliant!! You have a special gift. :)

        A few years back my boss ordered our whole team to read and understand Start with Why by Simon Sinek ... or, at the very least, watch his Ted talk.

        For me, your genius interpretation notwithstanding, the key thing missing from our anonymonk's eccentric question is the why.

Re: Help to have real Perl's advantage
by Marshall (Canon) on Jan 07, 2022 at 12:24 UTC
    after long research, observation and analysis,....
    I don't see any evidence of long research, observation and analysis.
    What is your question?

      I don't even see any evidence long research, observation, and analysis are within the OP's skillset.


      Dave

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