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PM Pages Translations

by shadox (Priest)
on Sep 10, 2001 at 21:36 UTC ( [id://111516]=perlmeditation: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??

I was reading Correcting and encouraging non native English speakers then a friend of mine come and he did look the screen and said "cool a web page about perl, so bad it is in english", i was thinking that stefp's idea would be good for my friend but the problem with him and a lot of people is that they don't speak english, some people want to use learn perl in this site but without a basic english that is very hard, then i get a JACI ( just another crazy idea), stefp was talking about a  <correct my english> link, what i propose is a  <translate this page> link or even better a nodelet which i can configure to select my lenguage , i think this would be a great help for non english speakers who wants to learn about Perl in a great site like this.
Shadox

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Re: PM Pages Translations (boo)
by boo_radley (Parson) on Sep 10, 2001 at 22:15 UTC
    perhaps such individuals could browse from babelfish?
      perhaps such individuals could browse from babelfish?

      For this to work, we would need front-end for babblefish that honored <code> tags.

      Anyone looking for a project?


      Clarification (after a CB exchange with boo_radley): honoring <code> tags means not attempting to translate code.

        You'd be surprised what happens to code tags.
      I just tried pointing babelfish to http://www.perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=85541 and it gives me blank output.

      So for some reason it doesn't like the URL?

      I tried just pasting the node's content into the "text" box instead, and crashed the translation server.

      —John

        It seems like they have $| set to 0. I thought the same thing, and in some cases (translating to asian languages most notably) it took a few minutes to perform the translation. Until it decides it's done, it'll show a blank window.
      Since we're all into Perl... WWW::Babelfish :)

      Greetz
      Beatnik
      ... Quidquid perl dictum sit, altum viditur.
Re: PM Pages Translations
by trantor (Chaplain) on Sep 11, 2001 at 17:37 UTC

    I'd rather spend my time on a parallel site (www.englishmonks.com, anyone?), learning and doing my little to explain the intricacies of the language...

    Really, this is not intended to be blind criticism, but I think it's almost completely wasted energy, time, resources. Automated translations wouldn't work, with the side effect of being even more misleading for who's not confident enough with the language. As another option, translations would have to be doing by us, keeping up with updates, working on soon-to-be-deprecated nodes.

    Making the site usable by everyone, redgardless of the language, is a very noble cause, and very utopistic too. I'd rather concentrate on writing clear posts... and... no, I was not joking about englishmonks.com :-)

    It is my firm belief that one version in one language is much better that the same information in different languages, not only for PM, the same applies for Linux manpages as well. I really appreciate the efforts of the many groups trying to translate the man pages in every language, but at the current pace it is only a waste of time. Sometimes I think abuot the same resources (time, people, computers) being used for teaching English instead.

    We may like it, we may not, but English has become the defacto standard in computer science (and many other areas as well). I can't refrain from thinking that a would be IT professional is not a professional without a decent practical English knowledge. Of course it's different from amateur programmers and youngsters, but I see the English language as part of the necessary toolset...

    That's why I (utopistically, maybe?) would rather spend efforts and energy in helping those people learning English instead. Sure, it's the steepest way, but I think there are no doubts about its much greater effectiveness, especially in the long term.

    -- TMTOWTDI

      I'd love to have Englishmonks, were I can ask questions about usage and grammar, and read threads on those who already did so. I use the resources at www.dictionary.com now, but some things we deal with aren't always finable in the classic Manuals of Style.

      —John

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