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Re^5: Password request (*sandy*)

by Athanasius (Archbishop)
on May 18, 2015 at 14:32 UTC ( [id://1127012]=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Re^4: Password request (*sandy*)
in thread Password request

Sorry, no. The subject is always in the subjective case: he, she, it, we, you, they, who, whoever. It is the object which takes the objective case: him, her, it, us, you, them, whom, whomever. So “whoever it is” is correct.

Actually, in this instance it doesn’t matter whether “whoever” or “it” is the subject of the clause, because the verb to be doesn’t take an object, it takes a complement, which is always in the subjective case anyway. Hence “it is he” is correct, “it is him” is not.

Well, that’s what was (still is?) taught in traditional English grammar, which is modelled on the classical languages Latin and ancient Greek. In those languages distinctions of case are vitally important. It is debatable whether the classical rules apply to English. Hence, many English speakers say (and write) “it is him,” although pedants (like me) prefer “it is he”. Consider the following from the Gospel of John (18:4–5a) in a modern English translation (NIV):

Jesus, knowing all that was going to happen to him, went out and asked them, “Who is it you want?”
“Jesus of Nazareth,” they replied.
“I am he,” Jesus said.

(Note also the use of “who” in “Who is it you want?” If Jesus had used the verb to seek instead of the verb to be, it would have been “Whom do you seek?”)

But anyway, “whomever it is” just sounds wrong!

Athanasius <°(((><contra mundum Iustus alius egestas vitae, eros Piratica,

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Re^6: Password request (*sandy*)
by chacham (Prior) on May 18, 2015 at 14:47 UTC

    Thank you for the explanation. Oddly enough, i said to myself "it is she" and even posted it (then quickly removed it.) I had it in my head that although "she" was the correct word, it was the same as "her." Heh. I'm still learning the rules (but actually caring more of late) so i'm glad you corrected it. This is one of the best ways to lean the rules. That is, saying what you think, and being corrected when wrong.

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