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Is there a place on PM outlining community policy

by Anonymous Monk
on Mar 23, 2016 at 02:39 UTC ( [id://1158581]=monkdiscuss: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??

Is this helpful for attracting new people to Perl and to this site?

Below, two examples on CPAN.

https://metacpan.org/pod/distribution/Dancer2/lib/Dancer2/Policy.pod

https://metacpan.org/pod/distribution/Mojolicious/lib/Mojolicious/Guides/Contributing.pod#CODE-OF-CONDUCT

If there is a page or link, am not sure where on PM.

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Re: Is there a place on PM outlining community policy
by atcroft (Abbot) on Mar 23, 2016 at 03:19 UTC

    For a user not logged in (such as a new user), in the "Information Section" is the Guide to the Monastery, which contains a number of useful links. Is that what you were looking for?

    Hope that helps.

        That sounds like the Perl 5 Porters "Standards of Conduct", the official version of which is in perlpolicy:

        The official forum for the development of perl is the perl5-porters mailing list, mentioned above, and its bugtracker at rt.perl.org. All participants in discussion there are expected to adhere to a standard of conduct.

        • Always be civil.
        • Heed the moderators.

        Civility is simple: stick to the facts while avoiding demeaning remarks and sarcasm. It is not enough to be factual. You must also be civil. Responding in kind to incivility is not acceptable.

        If the list moderators tell you that you are not being civil, carefully consider how your words have appeared before responding in any way. You may protest, but repeated protest in the face of a repeatedly reaffirmed decision is not acceptable.

        Unacceptable behavior will result in a public and clearly identified warning. Repeated unacceptable behavior will result in removal from the mailing list and revocation of rights to update rt.perl.org. The first removal is for one month. Subsequent removals will double in length. After six months with no warning, a user's ban length is reset. Removals, like warnings, are public.

        Although I think PerlMonks tends to be a little more lax than that (especially since "banning" is not really done here).

Re: Is there a place on PM outlining community policy
by Your Mother (Archbishop) on Mar 23, 2016 at 04:43 UTC
    Is this helpful for attracting new people to Perl and to this site?

    No. How could it be? No one, but no one, reads something like that before participating.

    You cannot force others to act in the way you choose. Some of the most helpful monks and some of the biggest contributors in the Perl-world are what I would call uncivil. Because one uses harsh language or is intolerant does not make one’s contributions meaningless or unwanted. I say this not as a contributor who is prone to dish abuse but as an ordinary participant who has received same; both here and in the Perlsphere. Are we hackers or children? Is this the real, professional world or is it gradeschool?

    FOSS is more than free software. It’s an ethos that is either “full stack” or is hollow. Linus Torvalds is a notorious asshole but he can only be regarded—in my view—as a saint. Warm feelings do not make software run. Politically correct social behavior cops cannot change bad behavior. A promise of this kind of safety is a lie. All lies are a waste of time. Good intentions do not make a waste of time acceptable.

    (Update: missing “not” added. DERP.)

      Are we hackers or children? Is this the real, professional world or is it gradeschool?

      We're all those things and more. PerlMonks and the Perl community are not a homogenous block of one kind of person in one job title in one industry at one age bracket.

      I agree that things don't always have to be completely civil. However we should remind people that being a competent person who's a jerk on a regular basis is less productive than being a competent person who's a jerk only rarely.

Re: Is there a place on PM outlining community policy
by stevieb (Canon) on Mar 23, 2016 at 06:25 UTC

    My rules:

    • act as I want to be treated
    • acknowledge and apologize when I've been an unwarranted asshole
    • when sharing information or giving advice, be as diligent as possible
    • always, and I mean *always* give credit where it is due
    • be honest; being a phony gets you nowhere
    • call it on people when they are wrong, while at the same time, be able to acknowledge when you were
    • stay out of bikeshed conversations, unless you're willing and able to discuss the larger scenarios
    • don't pout if you've been showed-up; research and learn from it
    • realize everyone makes mistakes... it's ok to question anyone's opinion
    • give back more than you take

    -stevieb

      > : (expanded as a meditation per user request Re: Is there a place on PM outlining community policy )

      Please change the title too, at least erase the "Re:".

      I was just going to consider "reparent" or "reaping" because it looked like a duplicate

      It's really confusing to see a top node with the same title and a leading Re:

      Cheers Rolf
      (addicted to the Perl Programming Language and ☆☆☆☆ :)
      Je suis Charlie!

Re: Is there a place on PM outlining community policy
by dmitri (Priest) on Mar 28, 2016 at 02:37 UTC
    The answer, of course, is "no." Why do some projects feel the need to spell out rules of conduct? Why are they attracting people who need rules of conduct in the first place?

    Bullshit, I say.

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