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Re^2: Criteria for when to use a cpan module

by DrWhy (Chaplain)
on Feb 02, 2019 at 07:54 UTC ( [id://1229281]=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Re: Criteria for when to use a cpan module (Buy vs Build)
in thread Criteria for when to use a cpan module

Another point to consider is the extra pain that you might have to deal with when you upgrade support to a new platform. I just finished upgrading our large and complex Perl-based internal production system to run under a newer version of Linux which comes with a newer Perl and other newer library versions. We use a large number of CPAN modules, and there were three CPAN suites that had to be 'fixed'. BerkeleyDB had to be recompiled to match the older libdb we use for our binaries (couldn't use the vanilla libdb that came with the new version of Linux). IO::All and IPC::Run started producing warnings due to being older versions. I ended up installing the latest version of IPC::Run and that worked fine -- luckily the interface hadn't changed in a way that broke our code that uses it. The issue with IO::All turned out to be a bug(ish) that didn't produce warnings under older versions of perl, but does in the version we upgraded too. Since that was actually a bug, even against the older version of perl (which we also still need to support), I elected to fix the bug in place, which means that I didn't have to upgrade IO::All and risk having to update our code to adapt to any changes in a newer IO::All.

--DrWhy

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Re^3: Criteria for when to use a cpan module (Titus Winters Talk)
by eyepopslikeamosquito (Archbishop) on Feb 02, 2019 at 11:26 UTC

    I just finished upgrading our large and complex Perl-based internal production system to run under a newer version of Linux which comes with a newer Perl and other newer library versions.
    Yes, we face a similar problem across many different Unix flavours. We don't use the system Perl on any platform though, always build our own Perl from C sources. But yes it's a big and hairy problem which is why we're gonna do it early in the release cycle to allow plenty of time for flushing out obscure bugs. Unfortunately, we've got pretty poor test coverage on much of our code, so we'll need to do quite a bit of manual testing.

    BTW, I was flabbergasted to hear Titus Winters in C++ as a Live at Head Language claim that Google have a single C++ code repository, shared across the whole company, containing mega millions of lines of code and that they always "Live at Head", meaning that everyone is always using the latest version of all code ... so they never do "upgrades"! As you might expect, to pull this off, you need strong discipline and excellent test coverage, combined with very sophisticated automated tools.

    Some points from Titus Winters talk:

    • Programming ("Hey, I got my thing to work!") vs Engineering ("What happens when my code needs to live a long time?").
    • Engineering is Programming integrated over time.
    • SemVer proved inadequate at google (it over-simplifies and over-constrains). SemVer summary: given a version number MAJOR.MINOR.PATCH, increment the: MAJOR version when you make incompatible API changes; MINOR version when you add functionality in a backwards compatible manner; PATCH version when you make backwards compatible bug fixes (additional labels for pre-release and build metadata are available as extensions).
    • Mentions the dreaded diamond dependency and that dependency graphs grow quadratically.

    Titus Winters is the founder of Abseil and chair for Library Evolution Working Group (design for the C++ standard library).

    Update 2023: See also: Re: Rosetta Test: Long List is Long - Abseil

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