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Re: Am I a power-mad Friar?

by mdillon (Priest)
on Apr 08, 2002 at 16:24 UTC ( #157470=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??

in reply to Am I a power-mad Friar?

You may find your answer at how to use the moderation system (available only to Friars or above). To quote vroom from that node:
My general criteria for choosing something to go onto the frontpage.
  • Does this impress me?
  • Does it display well? Are CODE tags used properly, does it eat up relatively little horizontal and vertical space?
  • Overall quality.
I believe the topic "Why to front-page nodes" has be explored at least twice, and many monks have expressed their opinion (use Super Search). Some may do so now.

As for you front-paging too much, I think you do; however, I don't think you're the only one. I've seen a lot of nodes being front-paged lately by newer Monks that I don't think should have been (I don't really want to point any fingers). Now, that doesn't necessarily mean anything, but I don't think I could have been wrong all the times that I thought, "Why did Monk X front-page this?"

P.S. I think instead of a system where your regular votes are used up to front-page a node, a system where multiple monks have to approve a node for the front-page would be a better quality-control measure. The biggest issue I see is whether we have enough enthusiastic members to support that sort of system, and I'm confident that we do.

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Re: Re: Am I a power-mad Friar?
by cjf (Parson) on Apr 08, 2002 at 16:46 UTC
    "Why did Monk X frontpage this?"

    Perhaps a text field to enter a reason for frontpaging a node would be in order?

    On the issue of frontpaging too much, I recommend only frontpaging one every couple days or so. There are lots of monks >= level 6 around, if a node is worthy, someone else will most likely frontpage it.

        Perhaps a text field to enter a reason for frontpaging a node would be in order?

      I concur. If we're going to list the names of who frontpaged what, it's reasonable to let them explain why they did it.

        Update: I don't necessarily want every frontpaged node to be rigorously justified, boo_radley, but when someone frontpages a node that isn't obviously worthy, it'd be useful to give them a chance to explain their decision. (And NTC gets its share of empty considers, too.) Just a thought.
        End Update
        On the issue of frontpaging too much, I'd only frontpage one every couple days or so. If a node is worthy. someone else will most likely frontpage it.

      I think I've frontpaged one node since reaching Friar. Usually, the impressive nodes have been frontpaged before I get to them.

        Update 2: It occurs to me that I don't frontpage nodes mostly because I hang out at Newest Nodes instead of The Monastery Gates, and forget all about this "front page" thing.

      Another criterion that I use when deciding whether or not to frontpage something is: "How will this reflect on Perl Monks?" The Monastery Gates is (probably) the first exposure a visitor will have to the site, so I think it's reasonable to exert a bit more editorial criticism when deciding what to put there. (For instance, Juerd's recent comment on a not-so-Friendly home node impressed me, displayed well, and was of above-average overall quality, but I didn't frontpage it -- we don't need to advertise our internal disputes to the rest of the world.) This strikes me as a fairly obvious point, but it should be mentioned.


        Foxtrot Uniform sez :
        I concur. If we're going to list the names of who frontpaged what, it's reasonable to let them explain why they did it.
        I dunno about that. The reason the fp messages started showing up was to prevent people from acting on their own nodes; front page nodes get a lot more attention and, therefore, votes. It's a simple mechanism to catch people who are tooting their own horn.

        Besides, take a moment to consider what types of SOPWs get FPd, and how that'd look if the persons FPing a node had to explain it all the damn time... We'd see a dozen variations of "good node", "good question" or "well researched". This FP reason field would be little more than noise after a while.

        Note that this does differ from the Approval entry for NTC -- there's a lot more variety in the reasons to consider nodes than approve them, and I'd prefer to see your reason for wanting to (eg) delete a node rather than front page it.

        Also a big thanks to the gods for polishing up the Approval interface (among many, many other things)

        I generally agree with your comments, but I feel compelled to interject a small note. While I agree we must consider whether any given node will reflect badly on Perl Monks as a community, I'm not sure that controversial nodes should be kept under wraps. For example, the node from Juerd may have started out as an internal squabble, but it evolved into a very interesting discussion about free speech, community, and the rights of the many vs. the rights of the few. I don't necessarily think new visitors should be sheltered from this. These are (in my opinion) among the most thought-provoking debates to come out of our community, and they definitely give a "flavor" of what PerlMonks is all about.

      Or better yet keep the nodelet small and reuse the current input field. It's meaning being dependent on the checkbox checked.

      PS> This is not my leap-node, though it was supposed to be. Missed by 2 :-/

      perl -pe "s/\b;([mnst])/'\1/mg"

Perfect, thanks!
by RMGir (Prior) on Apr 08, 2002 at 16:31 UTC
        That's wonderful, thanks!

        /me does his penance, and stops frontpaging everything that looks good :)

Re: Re: Am I a power-mad Friar?
by demerphq (Chancellor) on Apr 09, 2002 at 09:10 UTC
    I was really torn as to whether to write this reply.

    While I agree that not just anything should make it to the front page, and that on ocasion ive seen nodes that were not necessarily worthy. My worry is that after seeing your node newer monks might somehow feel that their opinion of worthyness is not as valid as that of older hands, and more importantly that we will end up with a relatively static front page.

    I hope that people dont front page useless nodes. But I also hope that people front page worthy nodes without worry. Otherwise the frontpage could end up a quite boring place to go...

    a system where multiple monks have to approve a node for the front-page would be a better quality-control measure

    I don't think this is a good idea at all. Comittees almost always make bad descions, or even worse no decisions.

    Yves / DeMerphq
    Writing a good benchmark isnt as easy as it might look.

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