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Re: Professional Monks

by djantzen (Priest)
on Aug 18, 2002 at 00:08 UTC ( #190940=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??

in reply to Professional Monks

As it stands now, typically this sort of question goes into the Meditations's category. Now granted, the meditations are "supposed" to be about Perl itself, yet discussions such as (OT) Professional Employees: who owns your thoughts? or (OT) UCITA a Done Deal? Maybe Not. end up here, typically flagged as off-topic. I'm not sure I dislike this.

If we were to create a new section, call it "Workplace" or something, I worry it would become a grab bag for anything that might occur in one's professional experience, except for those things expressly forbidden or perhaps just ignored according to some unspoken agreement among monks. Either way, if we create a new category, we have to create new norms to govern it as well.

The reason why I don't mind this sort of thing going into Meditations is because it automatically applies certain constraints upon the content. That is to say, it means that the post, though off-topic, is at least about a workplace issue that somehow relates to Perl or to the realities of the Perl world (e.g., the Open Source community). I think I'd prefer to expand the description of Meditations to allow this sort of thing, rather than create a whole new discussion type.

Update: grammar fix.

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Re: Re: Professional Monks
by Ovid (Cardinal) on Aug 18, 2002 at 19:21 UTC

    As the author of more than one OT post, I have given this some thought and had some discussion with others about it. What it seems to come down to is that Perlmonks has grown into a community and a community must naturally have a broad definition of what it is (or at least a bit of tolerance). That's not to say that we should be encouraging "what's wrong with my Java program" type posts, but rather that we should admit that there is a desire by some to discuss things only peripherally related to Perl.

    Mind you, I typically don't post things that are, in my opinion, too far outside the realm of what we do -- I use my journal for that. Instead, from time to time I have thoughts that I think may be of interest to others here and I post them. I would actually not mind seeing more of that, but I have some doubts about the best way to pull it off. OT sections have been repeatedly proposed with varying ideas of how they should be restricted -- minimum monk level to post, time limit on them, no commercial solicitations, etc -- but until such time that enough monks truly decide they want something like that and the developers implement it, it simply won't happen.

    On the other hand, I'm not sure I want it to happen. What we have now seems to work fairly well, though I confess that may be easier for me to say than others.


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Re: Re: Professional Monks
by cybear (Monk) on Aug 19, 2002 at 11:58 UTC
    If you make your focus too narrow then you will loose out on all sides.
    Expanding "Meditations" would probably be alright, but a category such as
    Professionalism or Professional Perl... perhaps Non-technical Perl would
    serve as good titles and would imply both restrictions on content yet allow for
    OT questions.

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