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(ZZamboni: Keep PerlMonks modules alive?) Re: PerlMonks modules 2.0

by ZZamboni (Curate)
on Aug 20, 2002 at 16:20 UTC ( #191500=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??

in reply to PerlMonks modules 2.0


Today I finally gathered the willpower to put everything related to the PerlMonks modules on the sourceforge project that I created for them a looong time ago. I have also moved the web page there.

But now I have a more fundamental question. Regrettably, I have been essentially absent from PerlMonks for a long time, and it seems that a lot of things have changed, technically speaking. The modules in their current form no longer work, and I have tons of chatbox messages and patches that people have sent me about this (to all of them: thank you!). On the other hand, the on-site chat page mentioned above by elusion seems to work perfectly.

So my question is: is it worth spending the effort to upgrade and clean up the PerlMonks modules to keep them current to the times, or should we just let them die? Are people still interested in using them? If this is the case, I will start working on fixing things. A few fundamental changes are necessary, including:

  • Using some XML-parsing module instead of the hand-coded cruft I got there now.
  • Using the new displaytype=xml nodes.
  • Anything else I have missed.
Now that the CVS is available on sourceforge, it should be easier for people to submit patches. Certainly, if anyone shows enough interest, I'd be happy to give them access as developers to the CVS repository :-)

Any thoughts?



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Re: Keep PerlMonks modules alive?
by Aristotle (Chancellor) on Aug 20, 2002 at 17:23 UTC

    Personally, I'm not sure there's that big a need. Using LWP::UserAgent and XML::Simple I cooked up a chatterbox client in an hour. Now that we have tickers for just about anything you might want one for as well as displaytype=xml, I think what's rather needed is thourough, centralized documentation of these. Currently, information about the tickers is randomly scattered throughout the site and can only be found via judicious use of Google and Super Search. I'm currently working on collecting nodes with info about the tickers and want to write some overview documentation from them, to put on my homenode (or maybe I'll ask for some space on jcwren's server).

    That said, I did refactor some of my simple client's code into a tiny module..

    Makeshifts last the longest.

      What XML generators are currently available on PerlMonks? has basic documentation on the tickers. It isnt exhaustive but it is closes thing to the documentation you mention needing. (I'm guessing you probably know this already, but I felt the link belonged in this thread.)


        First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
        -- Gandhi

        Yes, I know. At the time I posted this, documentation was much scarcer than it is now. In fact, I got into pmdev because I was asking tye so many questions he decided to let me find the answers myself. :-) Of course, I've yet to actually publish the tools whose contruction I needed this information for… but at least the most important chunk of the knowledge that wasn't available to me is available in use PerlMonksFacts;

        Makeshifts last the longest.

Re: (ZZamboni: Keep PerlMonks modules alive?) Re: PerlMonks modules 2.0
by Joost (Canon) on Sep 11, 2002 at 14:48 UTC
    I am quite happily using a patched version of the modules together with the Perl/Tk chatterbox client, and I would like to see them continued (or at least I would like a replacement that is a bit cleaner).

    By the way: there is some other part you missed in your changes, and that converting the documentation to POD, including all the usual parts that we expect from perl module documentation: NAME SYNOPSIS DESCRIPTION etc etc.

    -- Joost downtime n. The period during which a system is error-free and immune from user input.
Re: (ZZamboni: Keep PerlMonks modules alive?) Re: PerlMonks modules 2.0
by mojotoad (Monsignor) on Oct 22, 2002 at 16:10 UTC
    I don't know if it's a good addition, but you might consider adding PerlMonks::StatsWhore into the bundle -- it's an amped up version of some of jcwren's stuff.


Re: (ZZamboni: Keep PerlMonks modules alive?) Re: PerlMonks modules 2.0
by Rudif (Hermit) on Sep 10, 2002 at 00:02 UTC
    I tried to use the Shendal's Tk Chatterbox client (on WinXP), but between the client and your Chat modules something seemed to be broken. Am I right in thinking that CB went from using HTML to using XML, and did not follow?

    I'd like to help one way or another to bring back to life a Tk CB client. Please /msg me if you wish to discuss it.


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