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Re: Handy dandy CPAN pollution

by Juerd (Abbot)
on Dec 26, 2002 at 10:52 UTC ( [id://222330]=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Handy dandy CPAN pollution

There are some "the module is free, you have no right to complain" replies. I disagree.

TOMMY wrote several modules. But while in principle this is laudable, many things are wrong with them. If nobody complains, problems are never fixed, people use his code, things break and Perl gets blamed for it.

I did complain. In a harsh way, but I felt like doing that when I read Handy::Dandy's source. I love Perl, and can't stand it when someone damages its reputation. (You could argue I'm not really giving the Perl *community* a good name here. I hope my other posts compensate for that.)

Via the chatterbox, I got some private messages saying that Tommy probably meant well. He probably did, but he should have communicated, to give the community a chance to respond before bad things would happen. He did not. We can only react *after* the incident. And post-facto response is never as friendly.

Had no one said anything, then Tommy would probably not even realise his mistakes and submit more broken modules to CPAN. People *will* use his code as long as it is available (see also the infamous scripts by Matt Wright), so it should be taken offline before it causes real damage (if not already).

My way of talking about this module may not be how you would have.

Would you have reviewed this differently? It's not too late to do so. Let's see if you can stay friendly while reading this module's code. I couldn't, sorry. I hope you can.

- Yes, I reinvent wheels.
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Re: Re: Handy dandy CPAN pollution
by simon.proctor (Vicar) on Dec 27, 2002 at 19:43 UTC
    > the module is free, you have no right to complain

    I too would disagree with that. Totally and without reserve.

    > If nobody complains, problems are never fixed, people use his code, things break and Perl gets blamed for it.

    Ahh been there too. Though I have Matts Script Formmail to blame for that. And no, I didn't install it.

    > My way of talking about this module may not be how you would have.

    I'm afraid I would have to agree totally with that. I wasn't going to reply to you as I thought the others had done so (both for and against) quite well. If nothing else, the strength of your initial review was enough to bring out quite an interesting debate on a few different topics. Well, more like drawing lines in the sand but you get what I mean.

    The question I have is would you have reviewed this differently if it had not been on CPAN but had been posted here first? Would you have done differently if in a work context and the code was being used for some tool or other such app?

    You were clearly quite angered and frustrated by the chance of more bad code proliferating around the net and this shows (which is fair enough). I do, however, have to ask how you would try to turn situations like these around?

    How would you try to nip it in the bud? I don't have the answer (I wish I did) but as you have such a strong opinion on this I was hoping you would at least subject it to some thought. Maybe even post a meditation on the matter.

    Sadly we can't use NMS for everything :P

      The question I have is would you have reviewed this differently if it had not been on CPAN but had been posted here first?

      I certainly would have.

      - Yes, I reinvent wheels.
      - Spam: Visit eurotraQ.
      

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