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Deep Linkage

by BBQ (Deacon)
on Jul 21, 2000 at 04:00 UTC ( #23512=monkdiscuss: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??

Okay, the funniest thing just happened to me. I was scanning my weblogs for most used browser versions and I noticed that although most of the referer's come from the Hex images article on perlmonks, there is one other site that is giving me a healthy chunk of referers as well. The site is

Apparently someone at Distorted Youth came by my pic on perlmonks and thought it was:
  1. way cool
  2. way horrible
  3. silly enough to post on his site
I'm laughing my ass off since I've never been refered to before (at least not THAT way). Anyway, I found it amusing, and I'm pretty curious to know which perlmonk linked my pic. But, anyway, that got me thinking on something else:

The two days ago, there was this big discussion in the chatterbox (and I was in it as well) about a certain monk (don't remember the name now, I think it was airgut(?) or something...), thinking that his picture had somehow been tainted by being posted on jcwren's very cool stats page. I couldn't point a better example of how stuff we post on the internet will move out of our control as soon as we upload / post / link and whatnot. The entire "deep-linking" issue is just plain bullshit in my book. Once you upload something, its out there.

Sure, you have copyright over it if you've registered it. But, take my case for instance. Does anyone actually think I have the right to be even remotely offended for having been "deep linked" to Distorted Youth's site??

Nah! I'm laughing my head off. Certain peole should take their self-image more lightly as well, me thinks. But hey, that's just my personal opinion.

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(Ovid) RE: Deep Linkage
by Ovid (Cardinal) on Jul 21, 2000 at 20:49 UTC
    BBQ, while I applaud that you take your self-image lightly, I have to say that I have a problem with what Distorted Youth did. They did not just steal your pic and post it. They have the HREF for it linking directly back to your site. That's very rude and inconsiderate. I'm not talking about content stealing or copyright as that's already being hashed out. I'm talking about bandwidth stealing. Maybe you don't care if you get a few hits from Distorted Youth. What if someone posted your pic on a large site? Just a brief mention of a site on /. is often enough to take it down.

    If you don't mind the person using your pic, ask him/her to at least extend the courtesy to you of hosting the pic on their own server so they can use their own hard drive space and bandwidth (and maybe provide a "compliments of" link).

    Update: I forgot to mention the incredible stupidity of anyone linking directly to another site's images without permission. All one needs to do is rename the image and then insert a "creative" image in the old image's place. If an offending site won't stop the linking voluntarily, this usually stops it pretty fast :)

    Oooohhhhh... I'm not sure I could resist the opportunity to use that to craft a "personal message" to Distorted Youth's readers.

      Well noted Ovid... Under those circumstances, yes I would have a problem with my pic being posted. Mind you though, that if it turned up on the cover of the New York Times (regular paper), I would have no problema with it whatsoever. But, as I tell my co-workers, "I live for bandwidth: the more I have, the happier I am" (and isn't this common geeks behavior? :))

      If bandwidth became a problem, yes, I would take it down myself. For now, its not a problem and any bottlenecks I could possibly have would probably show up on Brazil's backbone first. Sad but true.

      I'm rambling again. What I meant to say is: you have a very valid point.

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RE: Deep Linkage
by spectre (Scribe) on Jul 21, 2000 at 04:35 UTC
    The legality (And morality, in my opinion) is that ANYTHING posted to the internet is public domain as far as linking goes.
    I am in total agreement here, BBQ, once it's posted to the WWW (Legally declared a public place) it's fair game to use for a link.
    Being as I work for a company for which this is an issue (My company aggregates data, that is to say we search multiple other sites and show the customers all the data we collect), this topic has been tossed around here alot.
      Well put spectre. I guess the point I was trying to make was more on the self-image (or too much of it) than the legal aspects of deep linking some monk's image. But yes, I guess that was part of what came up in the discussion in the chatter-box. Therefor, not only should people take the usage of their image more lightly, but they should respect the way the internet works!

      I can see this topic branching in several different directions, la a good OLD Slashdot thread: warez vs. free software, Napster and MP3's, comercial deep linkage without credit, and even more personal aspects of what happened to me... I mean, I could be highly offended by being associated with "Distorted Youth" (WTF do those guys do anyway???) but I'm not! I found it amusing. Even if they HAD, let say, altered my image, or refered to my pic as being an example of how ugly one can be, I still wouldn't be offended.

      I have come to learn that its better to laugh with people, than laugh at people. Even when you're the one being made fun of. Life's too short to get all pissed and prissy with small issues like these.

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RE: Deep Linkage
by JP Sama (Hermit) on Jul 21, 2000 at 04:44 UTC
    As a co-worker (and not being blind), I look at you every day... And, IMHO, you are WAY TO UGLY barbie!!

    #!/jpsama/bin/perl -w $tks = `mount`; $jpsama = $! if $!; print $jpsama;
      Thanks Joo! You've got a pretty ugly mug yourself but I still love you.

      BTW, you all can (and you must) agree with me on this one if you just take a look at him.

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