in reply to RE: Proposed XP System Changes in thread Proposed XP System Changes
As one of the people on #perlmonks at the time the XP subject
came up, I tend to agree with you ivory. I would have
liked to see the proposal put before the community in
general, I missed a good deal of the discussion on specific
numbers, etc.
While I feel that I made my feelings known about XP,
I was very surprised to come in today and find the changes
already taken place. (Of course, vroom can do whatever
the hell he wants to. That's fine by me. And the system
can always be changed if no one likes it.) The specific
points that I'd like to take up with you are:
- Why is it important that less experienced monks
remain at lower levels?
I don't think it is! I do believe that when you create
something like XP, people give it value, even if it is
completely useless. What is important is that XP count for
something. Why have XP if everyone's a bishop or a saint
by November of this year because of the vote-out bonus?
Sure it makes a person feel good, but what kind of person
would fool themselves (and the rest of the community) into
thinking they were members just because they used their
votes randomly every day to get the vote-out bonus?? I
think the point of XP is to really measure something.
Honestly, I don't think that anyone should be rewarded
for voting. You don't get paid to vote in the real world.
Maybe that's why only the people that care enough to vote
actually do so.
- Old School Monks
I guess I'm an old school monk, but I don't know much about
perl. I use this site to learn about perl, and to participate
in the community. I hardly ever know the answers to
SOPW questions, but I always am willing to share my opinion
on the site and the community. I am pretty strict about
voting, in that I vote for the posts that I feel are
truly worthwhile, and I never use up my votes (except on days
where there is an abundance of good posts). I guess what I
am saying is that I don't consider myself to be "aligned"
with the other "old school monks" on this or necessarily
any other issue. Had I been revamping XP, I would have done
it differently. But I guess I'll let it run on the new system for a
while, because it's probably better than before, and it's good to try something new. I expect you, ivory, to thoroughly bitch out vroom
if you think the system doesn't work. You have a voice, and
I am glad to see you using it. You should come visit
#perlmonks on irc.slashnet.org -- everyone who reads this
should.
- Ego, Politics, and Posturing
I'd like to see less of the ego thing. I call people on it when
I can. I think it is bad for the community. On this issue,
I think many of the so-called old school monks felt that
we didn't deserve all the XP (pseudo-ego) we had from voting. In fact,
I don't care whether people consider my posts good -- I care
about saying things that need to be said. Thus this post.
Politics and Posturing: people will measure themselves against others,
and find themselves lacking. They will try to make up for it.
Politics is inevitable. The best you can do is (a) participate in
what currently passes for a system, or (b) paint it on the
walls. For example:
Talks that are effectively secret because hardly
anyone knows about #perlmonks can not be considered
sufficiently discussed within the community. Damn it.
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RE: RE: RE: Proposed XP System Changes
by ivory (Pilgrim) on Aug 04, 2000 at 01:09 UTC
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Hmmm...well this is kind of why I didn't think it was fair to just change all this so suddenly. I can't IRC from work...it's bad enough that I am posting :P
I can only really speak for myself, and for me, the XP were a way to challenge myself to not slack off from learning perl and to come to the site and read the posts regularly. A lot of times people have already answered questions by the time I get there, and sometimes I am just so tired or hurried that I don't have time to post...but I still tried to get here each day and try to keep up.
You're right, we don't get paid to vote in the real world, but those votes have an impact on what happens. If we were electing leaders, or voting on policies I would understand the analogy...but here we vote for posts (and sometimes people vote for or against the writer of the posts).
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You may not be able to answer questions in time
(I know I never can) but I try to occasionally write an
informed post about something. (Occasionally.) I'm always
tired too. I try to pick my battles, so to speak, as they come up and as they seem important: help
out newbies in the chatterbox with site problems, or
write vroom about things I think are not working. I post
too sometimes. I don't much like receiving XP, it makes
me feel guilty. :)
Of course, I believe that if you want to earn XP, you
more than deserve it. Your posts are excellent, I've voted
up many of them! I didn't know you personally, but you've
got both explicit reputation (well-rated posts) and implicit (eg
I know that you make good posts, your nick is familiar that way).
This is a community of people, not of database entries.
When I think of reputation, I don't think of a number, I
think of a person who has posted good ideas or thoughtful
replies. I think what we are trying to get to is an XP
system that works more transparently, more in the
background, and still encourages the kinds of
posts and personal conduct that the community as a whole values.
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RE: RE: RE: Proposed XP System Changes (neshura rambles incoherently)
by royalanjr (Chaplain) on Aug 04, 2000 at 01:16 UTC
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I would hardly say that you are incoherent. *smile*
To be honest, I am not certain how well the new system
would work. I am at a more of a "wait and see" mode at the
moment. Your comment that vroom can do whatever he wants is
very very true. However, (at least as far as I can see) he
has always been responsive to the needs of us that use this
site. That being said, I also agree that a little more
discussion here (not in #perlmonks) would have been a
little better. Not that I am against that channel at all:
I do go there when I can. Not enough people either can
go there or know about it in the first place. Can't quite
call it a voting quorum (sp?).
But hey, let's kick back and see how it flies. It can always
change if it proves to be unsatisfactory.
Roy Alan
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RE: RE: RE: Proposed XP System Changes (neshura rambles incoherently)
by mikfire (Deacon) on Aug 04, 2000 at 01:32 UTC
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I stand guilty as charged in the bold part. I was heavily
involved in the conversation at that time. I can only say
I acted in what I thought was the best long-term interest
of the community.
mea maxima culpa
mikfire
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ROFLOL ok mikfire, don't be silly (you sound so tragic in your post) -- I was there too!! I just thought it would go to wider discussion at that point. I'm as guilty as you are.
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