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•Re: Re: Re: Re: Damian Conway Perl classes in Boston

by merlyn (Sage)
on Aug 28, 2003 at 02:05 UTC ( [id://287218] : note . print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??

in reply to Re: Re: Re: Damian Conway Perl classes in Boston
in thread Damian Conway Perl classes in Boston

I too, am willing to speak to any group for free, and also speak for free at YAPC and short talks at OSCON.

But no matter how many people want me to speak for free, I still have to make a living at some point. And good courseware is very expensive. We've put about $150K of labor into the current Learning Perl slideset. If I had taught that at "academic" rates rather than "corporate" rates, we'd never have paid it off yet.

You also need to look at the return-on-investment for a company. Taking 30 hours of instruction of one of my courses, the employer spends $1800 to me and about $2500 of burdened cost (if the person makes a $80K/yr salary) for the employee to be in a training.

For that $4300, he'd need to see about one and a half extra weeks of productivity to make up for it. Presuming I make someone about 20% more efficient, that pays for itself within two months or so. It's simple, and justified. At $1800 per student, they're still paying more for the student to be idled than for my instruction, but it's the total expenditure between both that needs to be justified and returned. When you look at it that way, it's actually still pretty cheap.

To someone that's never made more than $20K/year, these numbers may look huge. But to the typical corporate Perl wrangler, these are competitive figures.

-- Randal L. Schwartz, Perl hacker
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Re: •Re: Re: Re: Re: Damian Conway Perl classes in Boston
by allolex (Curate) on Aug 28, 2003 at 07:54 UTC

    I wasn't able to find anything about your free talks on your web site, so please forgive my omission. I'm sure there are a lot of people here now planning the next few years of your life. ;)

    As for the math here, I think your equation probably holds, but if you change the variables (lower the programmer's salary, decrease efficiency gains), you get some very different results. As with all things, YMMV.

    I have worked in corporate IT (as a grunt and management in both Germany and the US) and have seen what often passes for training. At least with you (and uri and theDamian), there is a return on investment. Anyway, this is your bread and butter and people are free to not attend your courses if they don't want to, so who am I to pour gravel into your gears? We would all hire you if we had the money.