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Re: Re: CPAN: install programs and namespaces

by legLess (Hermit)
on Jan 03, 2004 at 21:42 UTC ( [id://318547]=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Re: CPAN: install programs and namespaces
in thread CPAN: install programs and namespaces

Thanks for the Module::Build hint. I was deeply scarred some time ago by Module::Build :), but I know it's moving fast and I'll have to investigate it more.

Your point about team communication is a good one, but perhaps orthogonal to Taskcard's focus. Taskcard is clearly overkill for an experienced team doing full-on XP in a single room. I believe that's only a fraction of the people using some elements of XP, and an even smaller fraction of those who could benefit from a centralized task repository.

If you're trying to manage 5 volunteers on an OSS project, each in different time zones and each with only a few hours to spare each week, I think Taskcard could be really valuable. There's some feature work to do, but much interface design: when it's ready, it'll look simpler and do more.

Thanks for your long and useful reply.

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Re^3: CPAN: install programs and namespaces
by adrianh (Chancellor) on Jan 17, 2004 at 00:35 UTC

    Belated response ;-)

    Taskcard is clearly overkill for an experienced team doing full-on XP in a single room. I believe that's only a fraction of the people using some elements of XP, and an even smaller fraction of those who could benefit from a centralized task repository.

    Fair enough.

    I guess my problem (and it may just be "my" problem :-) is you calling Taskcard "XP-style" since, to me, it isn't very.

    Taskcard has things like start/end dates for tasks, etc. Non-XP things for cards. The list of things you'd like to do are even less-XPish, and more like a project management system in the MS Project mold.

    I believe that more agile methods, and XP in particular are excellent software development techniques. As a contractor/consultant I often am faced with the task of introducing these methods into an organisation. On occasion I have problems because people have "tried XP" and it has failed. However, on closer examination they have only tried something that bears a superficial resemblance to one aspect of XP.

    I can just see a point in the future when somebody says "we tried the XP planning game and it didn't work" when what they really mean is "we tried Taskcard and it didn't work".

    Not that this would necessarily be a fault in Taskcard of course. Just a fault in the way it was used. However, because you say it's "XP-style" the failure will be laid at the door of XP.

    If you're trying to manage 5 volunteers on an OSS project, each in different time zones and each with only a few hours to spare each week, I think Taskcard could be really valuable. There's some feature work to do, but much interface design: when it's ready, it'll look simpler and do more.

    Cool. Look forward to it :-)

      I guess my problem (and it may just be "my" problem :-) is you calling Taskcard "XP-style" since, to me, it isn't very.

      Fair enough :)

      From a sufficiently pure and saintly perspective, every deviation looks like rank heresy. It's a bit of a balancing act, and I hope in the end to give everyone the tools they need. I hope that XP folks can use Taskcard and like it, ignoring the features they don't want or need. I may even make an option to turn off every feature that isn't strict XP:

      use strict qw/ XP /;  # grin

      But a lot of the features that aren't XP are often asked for by users, and one explicit goal is to be a light project-management framework.

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