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This *is* OT, but as this is "Meditations", folk'll are free to meditate (and I do mean meditate), and anyway, it's extremely relevant (cause I'm sure most regulars here want'em perl job ;D).

The only words of wisdom(which you probably already heard a 100 times before) I have is to "secure a new job, before leaving your old one", which is good advice, if you get to leave on your terms (you're not fired or something ....

When I was looking for employment last year, I too was faced with the references dilemma (coworkers come, coworkers go, new ones been there a week, boss has 200 employees..... oy).

My general strategy up to that point was, whenever I could, i'd ask "friendly" coworkers, at about the 3 month mark of our 'relationship' (you know, normal work interaction -- friendly), if they'd ever consider giving me a reference if I ever needed one, to which everytime they said sure, at which point i'd get a nice card. The problem with this scheme was, a couple of months down the road, after they've left, card's no good, so important lesson here, keep your "rolodex" (card collection) up to date (basics of networking), cause you never know when you might need'em (which i did).

Anyway, what happened was that of the 5 people I had in my rolodex, I had lost touch with all of them (cause I was there at a long time, and they were all at least 2 workplaces away from that one), so when time came to give my references (when the potential employer requested some, after my 2nd interview, which *is* when I even consider giving them out), I just turned to my current coworkers (which just about past the 3month mark), and they gladly agreed to sell me to the new guy (I was glad, I was leaving, it's good to have a going away party ~ bring cake, which brings us to another important lesson, grease up yourcoworkers, a little cake goes a long way).

Suprisingly enough, the prospective employer even contacted the big boss, who said good things (apparently cause a looong time ago, I personally wrote some article for him, and we exchanged words for about 10min, which he remembered ... I should've noted that interaction in some kind of journal somewhere, cause you never know when it could come i handy to "remind" the boss of all the good you've done for him :D). Not only was the job was mine (not that too many others were wanting it), but I was practically already working before the negotiations were over (or any of the paperwork signed). It definetly helped being able to back up everything on my resume with interest (demonstrate the knowledge, and have references say yup, he does know all that stuff, and how).

That was my brief dealing with the whole references issue, as I've not had many jobs (or many full-time ones at that).

I too do not like being jerked around and "reserve" the privilege that is a reference, personal or otherwise, only for employers who seriously consider employing me (after 2nd interview *if* they seem interested, 3rd one should be negotiations).

I hope someone gets something out of my account of things, which is unbeliveably rather accurate (sometimes I'm a good observer)

Peace!

 
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In reply to (crazyinsomniac) Re: At what stage in a job interview process should references come into play? by crazyinsomniac
in thread At what stage in a job interview process should references come into play? by princepawn

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