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If you're specifically referring to "Since Perl 5.8.1 the ordering is different even between different runs of Perl...", I think the "different runs of Perl" is meant to be taken literally, i.e. executing the perl binary. I.e. when dumping the HASH_SEED value, you should in fact get different values each time (unless perl has been built with -DUSE_HASH_SEED_EXPLICIT — see perlrun):

$ PERL_HASH_SEED_DEBUG=1 perl -e1 HASH_SEED = 12018612040932336001 $ PERL_HASH_SEED_DEBUG=1 perl -e1 HASH_SEED = 4459772231957961225 ...

That being said, I still always do get the same ordering every time I do keys %hash ...   So, I'd be interested in an explanation just as much you seem to be :)

Update:  here's some test code:

#!/usr/bin/perl use Test::More; plan tests => 1; my %hash = ( "Zero","0","One","1","Two","2", "Three", "3", "Four", "4", "Five", "5", "Six", "6", ); print "$ENV{PERL_INVOCATION_COUNT}: "; # note: test string has been determined experimentally # (i.e. it might differ with your Perl) ok(join(' ', keys %hash) eq 'Five Four Three Zero Two Six One', q{same + ordering}); if (++$ENV{PERL_INVOCATION_COUNT} < 100 ) { exec $0; }

(prints 100 times "ok ..." with my Perl — despite different hash seed values)

In reply to Re: Deterministic or keys in random order by almut
in thread Deterministic or keys in random order by andreas1234567

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