Re: Appealing a consideration?

As has already been mentioned several times, the proper course of action, to appeal against a retitling/editing of your node, is to either contact the janitor in question, personally, or to message the entire group. Please try not to whine in these messages, since reasoned arguments will get you a lot further.

I'll admit, personally, to not messaging anybody about having retitled their nodes, usually because my usual method is to apply the node retitler to a bunch of nodes needing retitling one after the other, and the retitler currently doesnt send those messages, maybe it should. Maybe thats not a good excuse.

As davido mentioned, only nodes that have an overbearing edit vote AND the janitor thinks need retitling, get retitled, according to the current "rules", which include exchanging one-word titles for longer ones. The search system is not broken, it's just set up so that an exact match will be shown immediately, allowing you to search for exact titles, like "Newest Nodes", and get the node directly, and not a list of nodes with those words somewhere in their titles.

A last thought. That node had been up for consideration for at least a week, maybe 2. Since apparently you'd noticed it, why did you wait until now, to complain? If you notice such, and have good reason against the consideration, speak up before it happens! (via /msg janitors, that is ). This is only the second node, from the many I have retitle/edited in my time as janitor, that I've had complaints about, so clearly the majority either doesn't care, or is in agreement with the system.

Update: As to your point about not being alone in having problems with retitling (or whomevers point it was :), all it takes for me to not retitle a node, is about 6 keep votes, maybe 8-10 if the edit vote is at 35-40 or so. Thats not a lot, a small fraction of the number of PM users who are able to vote. I can't remember now what the exact count was on your particular node, but it must have been over that ratio. So, if many don't like retitle suggestions, they should show their preferences, and vote.. That's why we have voting.

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Re^2: Appealing a consideration? by davido (Cardinal) on Feb 23, 2005 at 10:14 UTC
and the retitler currently doesnt send those messages FWIW, Janitors Thread Retitler v3.1 does send a /msg to the base-node author by default. The message is something to the effect of Help please!? has been retitled to Querying CGI parameters with CGI.pm. The message may be suppressed with the -nomessage (or -nomess for short) commandline option, but I've only ever used that option in testing on my own nodes. :) It also adds Janitors edit attribution to the bottom of the base node being retitled, by default. That can be suppressed with -noattribute or -noattr. By default attribution looks something like Retitled by davido from "Help please!?" Dave	[reply]
Re^2: Appealing a consideration? by sleepingsquirrel (Chaplain) on Feb 23, 2005 at 16:32 UTC
A last thought. That node had been up for consideration for at least a week, maybe 2. Since apparently you'd noticed it, why did you wait until now, to complain? Why would I complain earlier, when nothing had actually been done? I don't follow perlmonks politics closely, and quite frankly, I didn't think that there was a compelling reason to retitle, so I assumed that level headed janitors wouldn't change it. But now that its been put up again for consideration, you may take this node as an official complaint and plea not to change it. BTW, it was up for consideration for about 3 weeks and the last time I looked at it it had 8 keep/29 edit votes. -- All code is 100% tested and functional unless otherwise noted.	[reply]
Re^3: Appealing a consideration? (reason) by tye (Sage) on Feb 23, 2005 at 17:20 UTC
Did I just miss it? Where is the reasoned argument? Is your argument just "It's my node, I'll name it any dang thing I want to and you can't stop me!" ? Do you have some reason why that is a good title for that node? I agree with jdporter that the title should at least mention "Haskel" and start with "Re:". The node doesn't embody "HaXml" and so should not be titled simply "HaXml". I think the title should make sense even when viewed out of context of the thread that it is in, which usually means that some fragment of the parent's title should appear in the title. Node titles are integral to navigation, searching, and other tasks at the site. I'm all for respecting creativity even in titles but not without restrictions (for example, Re^2: Considering nodes for re-titling (haznav)). The node title is not just used as a place for the author to select what title to put on the node. It has too many other uses that are too important to not have some restrictions. So if you have an argument as to why that node title is appropriate, then please make it. Please also listen to what others are saying about node titles. If you just want to get into a shoving contest without reasoned argument, then we can certainly go down that road. I'm sure we could modify the site code to enforce that "Re:" must appear on all replies, for example. I don't encourage such changes lightly, but I'd be for this particular one in part just to nix the quibbling over the point. Q re nodes' subjects also contains some good points. But I'd really like to hear what you have to say. Why do you think that node title is so good? - tye	[reply]
Re^3: Appealing a consideration? by castaway (Parson) on Feb 23, 2005 at 20:43 UTC
Because you'd been following recent considerations, and noticed that 'bad' ones were being made? Or so you claimed up there somewhere. Sorry, but you seem to be contradicting yourself some in this thread. Anyway, the reason is, because afterwards its kind of daft, in my opinion. Say something about the consideration already, not about the retitling after the fact. I did say 'reasoned argument', so where is it? C.	[reply]
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