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Re: (my last post WRT) Consider Your Audience

by extremely (Priest)
on Nov 27, 2000 at 14:42 UTC ( [id://43472]=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to (my last post WRT) Consider Your Audience
in thread Consider Your Audience

OK, this is devolving but I have to get a few more words in edgewise before I quit this in disgust.

One, "con" in the meaning we are (hopefully) all using it is short for "confidence". Thus, a con-man is a "confidence man" or a perpetrator of "confidence games". I'll quote www.m-w.com on "2confidence" since you like that site: "of, relating to, or adept at swindling by false promises." I don't think that characterizes in anyway what he did. Perhaps if you use conned as "tricked" then, yes he did so but in no way did he abuse what trust he built up with the second account.

Everything below your sig is unworthy of you or a response from me. We didn't need to rehash what he's done that annoys you.

Three, quoting you:

Now we find that the false identity, princepawn, was actually a front for the true identity, metaperl. What does this mean? Well, it means that princepawn was pretending to be this intelligent, if rude and inane at times, Perl programmer, who couldn't seem to connect the dots on basic programming concepts, and never did his homework before posting a question to Seekers of Perl Wisdom. He had us all fooled into believing this. Why did he do this? To prove a point.

You jump from making vague points about his behavior to ascribing motives here. Worse, a simple check would have shown you that princepawn has been around since May but metaperl has only been on since October. Five months is one elaborate plan! Also you talk about the two as if they were different personality traits or that he was deliberately playing different roles in each. I think merlyn's suggestion that he merely watched his own behavior closer when posting as metaperl simply because he didn't want to be revealed at princepawn until he had verified his theory was correct.

I really don't see anything sinister in that behavior and in fact I toyed with suggesting that he do this very thing about a month ago. To make it more scientific he should have written each post then randomly picked a login so that he would treat each one the same but I won't get caught up in method. See I (and likely he) don't see this as an abuse of trust, I see him announcing that A. he really can work at fitting in, so cut him some slack with his preferred nickname so he can prove he's changed, and B. crowing that he "proved that on recent posts he was being unfairly filtered through a past he was trying to leave behind."

Really, about your final points 1 and 2, I see them as being correct, both of them. He could have explained himself better and prince really is his real personality. The only thing I disagree with in your summation is that something needs to be done about it. I see metaperl and in recent posts (mostly) a new sense of acting appropriately for the site. I see him trying to understand what people want from him and trying to match that.

And honestly, I see people with your attitude as the problem, not him. If I were to treat you as you treat prince above, I'd still be calling you "paranoid" months from now after you've long since ceased to care about this issue. I doubt that you are tho and I doubt very much he has an elaborate scheme to abuse this site, our time or the very perl from which we all sprung.

The funny thing is, I bet if the three of us met IRL that you and prince would have a lot more in common than either of you would with me. OTOH, he seems to be willing to let by-gones be by-gones and you seem to be holding a grudge rather tight to your heart.

Of course, I've been wrong before and will be again, likely even before I post again. And to answer your question, yes, I understood your point all along, read my post again yourself. I asked how you had been conned, you give me supposition in response. I asked you to prove your accusation that he had prior motive to troll or trick you for a nefarious purpose and you give me more theories.

You read my first post again you'll likely note that it is this unreasoning supposition that I'm railing about in the first place. My call to Ovid was wordy but simple, cut prince a break and see if he's changed like he says he has. Don't keep turning up the rhetoric everytime he shows up. I ache to see someone trying to crawl up into the light (however stubbornly) and the very people who have been screaming about his behavior trying to kick him back down.

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