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Re: Money vs. Perl

by jhourcle (Prior)
on Mar 16, 2005 at 12:29 UTC ( [id://439922]=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Money vs. Perl

I spent two years at a company where I barely could use Perl on real applications.

I started on a new job last January. It is *only* Perl.

Just trying to get a feel on the situation -- by 'last January', do you mean Jan 2004, or Jan 2005? If it's Jan 2005, I'd agree -- I've flagged short non-contract work as a reason for not hiring someone.

Yesterday I was approached by another company wanting to hire me. They made it clear from the start that my salary would be higher and that I would have everything I would need. (basically, they have 150 employees, and none of them is using Perl ATM; yet, they suddenly realized they need a Perl programmer for a project they've inhereted).

If they're coming to you, you might have more leverage than you think. And the company is small enough, that they might have flexibility in their benefits and other terms.

I'm turning down this offer, for a bunch of reasons (one of them being the fact that I just started this new job and it doesn't feel right abandoning it so soon).

I'm a firm believer in going with your gut feeling. I personally don't like leaving in the middle of a project. But, if someone is specifically coming after you, you might ask them how often the offer is good for, as they might be willing to give you time to wrap up your responsibilities. (and hell, they may even look at that favorably, if they're not in a time crunch)

But the main reason I'm turning it down is this: It's Perl related, but it's not just Perl (actually, I'd say only 50% of it is Perl and the rest is stuff I really don't care about) and I like what I have right now.

You've also made the assumption that the two aren't mutually compatable. If they're trying to recruit you, they might be able to bring you on as a half time employee, or for consultation, etc. (although, there are other issues with consultation, as you're a different class of employee), Obviously, working two jobs may not be practical, if they're located hours apart, and they don't allow telecommuting, and there might be issues with moonlighting at your current job.

The fact that I'd be making extra money sure sounds great, and there is some chance that I'll regret this decision in the future, of course, but I'm actually turning money down for Perl.

I was wondering if there's anyone else here doing this, abdicating from money for doing what they like, that being Perl programming.

I've left well paying jobs, but not because of the tools I was using. (although, I did get fed up with the tools, and had even bought my own laptop, just so I could use my prefered editor) ... and I was later told I was getting paid less than the people slacking off in the department. As much as you like one tool, I don't think it's a reason to leave or stay with a job, as it's being short sighted, to assume that it's always going to be best thing for the job. (I like Perl, but I'm not going to do everything in Perl.) I would say most of the factors in my choice of jobs are, in no particular order:

  • comfortable level of pay. (not living paycheck to paycheck)
  • enjoying the work. (challenging, but not that sink-or-swim feeling)
  • belief in the company's goals. (I prefer to work for education/non-profit)
  • commute time. (which is part of the stress issue).
  • working with people I get along with. (I don't have to be best friends, but a dumbass manager or co-worker can ruin things)
  • learning opportunities. (a chance to learn new things, not just repetitive tasks).

There are probably other things, but these come to mind. Personally, I've left (or been fired from) jobs for personel reasons (in every one of the 4 instances in the last 11 years). However, I'm currently financially well-off, so money isn't a major consideration. I would give up my current job if I could get out of consulting, even if it is long-term consulting, assigned to a government agency.

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Re^2: Money vs. Perl
by cog (Parson) on Mar 16, 2005 at 12:47 UTC
    Jan 2004, or Jan 2005? If it's Jan 2005, I'd agree -- I've flagged short non-contract work as a reason for not hiring someone.

    Jan 2005.

    you might have more leverage than you think.

    Interesting... :-)

    You've also made the assumption that the two aren't mutually compatable.

    Yes, I did, but I also thought that even if they were, that was going to take practically all of my time, and I still need some of it left for some other stuff I'm involved in.

    even bought my own laptop, just so I could use my prefered editor

    You... bought a laptop just for an editor? :-)

    As much as you like one tool, I don't think it's a reason to leave or stay with a job, as it's being short sighted

    As much as I agree, I still think that this (my current job) is an excelent opportunity for me to excel in this particular tool (Perl).

      You... bought a laptop just for an editor? :-)

      Yep. I bought a $3500 laptop, so I could run a $70 piece of software (educational discount, the price has since gone up). I was doing Solaris sysadmin work, and I had Solaris and Windows (just for Visio/Excel/MSWord) on my desk. I'm more productive in BBEdit, which is Mac-only. Oddly enough, I never saw a single Sun Professional Services person running a sparc-based laptop, and they seemed about 50:50 Mac:Windows.

      As much as I agree, I still think that this (my current job) is an excelent opportunity for me to excel in this particular tool (Perl).

      I'm guessing that even though you're saying it's just for Perl, that there are other, less tangible things, that even if you can't easily put them into words. But that's not bad. Go with your gut instinct -- it's normally right. (okay, I admit, I spend way too much time reflecting on the past, doing the 'what-if' thing, but it's unhealthy to spend too much time dwelling on mistakes, once you've identified what the problem was, and how to identify it and avoid it in the future).

      Likewise, even though I said 'personel problems', it was actually much more complicated than that, and there were many other contributing factors.

      I would still advise against using one, and only one tool -- it's more important to do it because you're comfortable and happy using it, rather than just because it's Perl. Learn some other languages, too, as you'll find that there are some things that are easier to do in other languages, and it can help you think about your problems differently. Change is not necessarily bad, and if you fight it just for the sake of change, you'll have problems. There are valid times to fight change, but you have to access each instance individually.

      Besides, if you know other languages, it helps you when you have to migrate other programs to Perl

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