Politeness (to one another) is a virtue

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Re: Politeness (to one another) is a virtue by ramlight (Friar) on Nov 21, 2011 at 15:17 UTC
While there are many places on the Internet insulting tirades are common, I've always thought of Perlmonks as one of those areas where civilized conduct is the norm and not the exception. Any group will have those who deviate from the common culture but here this type of language appears to relatively rare. So this is the place that I come first when I am interested in Perl discussions - either questions or just general information. (I find that I have learned much of what I know about Perl just from reading the questions and answers here.) Since I, for one truly value the way disagreements are, in general, handled here, I find such language disappointing (and in fact I, myself, find it highly offensive as well) but I don't see this becoming a part of the normal behavior here. And that is what not only keeps me coming back, but also tends to diminish the occurance of such posts. I do find, hidden behind the language, a concern for the common direction of programming and its implementation in Perl. I would rather concentrate on that and ignore the language of the post.	[reply]
Re: Politeness (to one another) is a virtue by marto (Cardinal) on Nov 21, 2011 at 14:06 UTC
"We are not thirteen-year old kids in the locker room. (There are ladies present, for that matter.) We are professional adults who are here to discuss the Perl programming language." For all I know there are kids, or people who aren't computer professionals here asking for help and advice. I'm convinced that the latter use this site. Update: for the record, people not being computer professionals shouldn't be a prerequisite for using this site IMHO. People have to begin somewhere, I think here is a better place than most.	[reply]
Re^2: Politeness (to one another) is a virtue by cavac (Vicar) on Nov 23, 2011 at 21:55 UTC
for the record, people not being computer professionals shouldn't be a prerequisite for using this site IMHO Is this a ~~dagger~~ double negative i see before me? Don't they cancel each other out in the english language (similar to perl)? So wait, that would be... hmhmhmhmoneinmindhmhm... "people being computer professionals should be a prerequisite for using this site". Sorry, just pulling your leg. I just could not resist. Don't use '#ff0000': use Acme::AutoColor; my $redcolor = RED(); All colors subject to change without notice.	[reply]
Re^3: Politeness (to one another) is a virtue by marto (Cardinal) on Nov 23, 2011 at 22:36 UTC
You're absolutely right, I should stop updating posts while talking to people on the train home, clearly it's not working out too well for me. The point I was trying to make was that IMHO this isn't just a site for "professionals".	[reply]
Re^4: Politeness (to one another) is a virtue by cavac (Vicar) on Nov 23, 2011 at 23:03 UTC
Re: Politeness (to one another) is a virtue by Argel (Prior) on Nov 21, 2011 at 21:55 UTC
Current posting ability limitations seems to prove sundialsvc4's point for him. An individual (or maybe a couple if we throw the spammers in) behaving in a rude, uncouth, and immature manner to the point that it was becoming so disruptive to the site that drastic action was taken. The responses defending the immature behavior in this thread have been disappointing and just encourage the poor behavior. And if someone does not know how to say something in a more mature, professional manner, then we should be encouraging them to learn how to. This place would die off if it was up to some of you who want to keep looking the other way. Of course, too many people have already been looking the other way for the past several months, so it's no surprise we got to this point. Elda Taluta; Sarks Sark; Ark Arks My deviantART gallery	[reply]
Re: Politeness (to one another) is a virtue by derby (Abbot) on Nov 21, 2011 at 17:54 UTC
Sorry sundialsvc4, when we start to limit what words we use, we start to limit what ideas we can express. Not everyone is endowed with a broad vocabulary. Sometimes being eloquent is helpful; other times, there is no substitue for the F-word. I was not offended by the OP language -- but I was saddened by the narrow-mindedness. -derby PS if that post bothered you, never, ever, ever attend an mst talk :-)	[reply]
Re^2: Politeness (to one another) is a virtue by Your Mother (Archbishop) on Nov 21, 2011 at 19:52 UTC
Agreed. I found the post easy to dismiss—especially without an identity attached. And you were too kind. "Narrow minded" ne "wrong." OO is a fad in the same way women wearing pants is; only to a bigot.	[reply]
Re^2: Politeness (to one another) is a virtue by Anonymous Monk on Nov 21, 2011 at 17:59 UTC
What narrow mindedness?	[reply]
Re^3: Politeness (to one another) is a virtue by derby (Abbot) on Nov 21, 2011 at 18:06 UTC
OO is ... a passing fad -derby	[reply]
Re: Politeness (to one another) is a virtue by jdrago999 (Pilgrim) on Nov 21, 2011 at 18:14 UTC
As the OP from the thread you mentioned, I agree. That person who chose (and chooses again and again) to post as Anonymous Coward (if the shoe fits, wear it) could have driven the conversation completely off-topic. Fortunately those who had something useful to contribute to the discussion managed to do so, and I learned about something I was previously unaware of (Mouse::XS). Mission Accomplished. Perhaps instead of using PerlMonks for personal therapy, these downtrodden, socially-inept folks could go to a qualified therapist? Or we could simply not post things that we wouldn't CC our mothers on?	[reply]
Re^2: Politeness (to one another) is a virtue by Anonymous Monk on Nov 21, 2011 at 18:28 UTC
Or we could simply not post things that we wouldn't CC our mothers on? I don't know Your Mother, but for sure, you don't know mine :)	[reply]
Re^3: Politeness (to one another) is a virtue by jdrago999 (Pilgrim) on Nov 21, 2011 at 18:40 UTC
Seriously. If you need to be a pain, go to 4chan where it's expected.	[reply]
Re^4: Politeness (to one another) is a virtue by Anonymous Monk on Nov 21, 2011 at 18:45 UTC
Re^5: Politeness (to one another) is a virtue by jdrago999 (Pilgrim) on Nov 21, 2011 at 18:54 UTC
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Re: Politeness (to one another) is a virtue by perl.j (Pilgrim) on Nov 22, 2011 at 01:35 UTC
...thirteen-year old kids...professional adults who are here to discuss the Perl programming language. Ummm... I'm thirteen --perl.j	[reply]
Re^2: Politeness (to one another) is a virtue by sundialsvc4 (Abbot) on Nov 22, 2011 at 03:17 UTC
Welcome, welcome, good sir or madam, and let the record show that I was about your age when the computer bug took a very-delightful hold of me and has happily-changed my life ever since. Please understand, therefore, that I meant (and mean) no disrespect either to you or to your present age ... which, to me, is “neither here nor there.” You are as much a member of this professional community as is anyone and everyone else who is here or who has ever been here. However, I do feel that I should apologize to you, on behalf of this community, that you happened to stumble upon grown-ups (who should have known better) acting like this in public places. Please excuse us. May it never happen again. “And now, please, back to your regularly scheduled programming-language. These aren’t the ’droids you’re looking for. Move along... Move along...”	[reply]
Re^3: Politeness (to one another) is a virtue by perl.j (Pilgrim) on Nov 22, 2011 at 10:53 UTC
No need to apologize. But yes, Perlmonks greatest feature is also it's greatest flaw. The fact that discussions are aloud is great, but just as stated (somewhere) in the StackOverflow FAQ, it diminishes a community. I am not saying end discussion on PM. I am saying nothing near that. What I am saying is that you must respect your fellow Monks. Also, you should not be allowed to post as an Anonymous Monk, as this is where most of the trolls are. --perl.j	[reply]
Re: Politeness (to one another) is a virtue by JavaFan (Canon) on Nov 21, 2011 at 21:26 UTC
I am profoundly offended by these comments. To quote John Cleese: you don't have the right to not be offended. Seriously, if you feel offended by the things you quote, I think you need professional help. And I seriously recommend you to do away with all computers, and when you read the newspaper, to skip the "letters to the editor" section. None of the things you quote is directed to you -- or even directed to anyone or any specific group. Anyone who feels offended and doesn't want to feel offended by it should look at himself, instead of being dramatic on a public forum.	[reply]
Re: Politeness (to one another) is a virtue by Anonymous Monk on Nov 21, 2011 at 14:35 UTC
I am profoundly offended by these comments. You would appoint yourself the arbiter of good taste and enforce your sensibilities on all who come here? I don�t want to read such trash on my computer. Ever. Again. You could add perlmonks.org/.com etc. to your nannyware blacklist and hang out at Disney.com. Or just disconnect.	[reply]
Re^2: Politeness (to one another) is a virtue by chromatic (Archbishop) on Nov 21, 2011 at 19:08 UTC
Which part of the text quoted in the OP did you find acceptable civilized behavior? For me, none of it. Improve your skills with Modern Perl: the free book.	[reply]
Re^3: Politeness (to one another) is a virtue by Anonymous Monk on Nov 21, 2011 at 19:54 UTC
Everything?!! Aside from a few mildly dirty words the biggest offense of that comment seems to be the opposition to OOP. Your feigned outrage has been noted. Please remember it the next time you consider hand holding a troll for an extended period of time.	[reply]
Re^4: Politeness (to one another) is a virtue by chromatic (Archbishop) on Nov 21, 2011 at 20:35 UTC
Re^5: Politeness (to one another) is a virtue by Anonymous Monk on Nov 22, 2011 at 00:41 UTC
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