If it makes you feel any better, I don't think you're a guru. :)

I do, however, acknowledge that you do have good Perl skills (certainly far more advanced than I, but I know other languages fairly well -- they're just crappy ones that I'm too embarassed to admit to though :), but I consider "gurus" to be more along the lines of the Larry Walls, Guido Van Rossums, and Dennis Ritchies of the world (exceedingly creative people, that have significantly changed the face of computing).

To be able to spout out answers that can pretty much always be found in the documentation suggests that the answerer has a stronger desire to learn than the questioner, but doesn't suggest that the answerer possesses any supreme ability.

Also, your comment about "racing against people with polio" is a poor one at best. It's rude (I can't imagine how I would have reacted to seeing this if I was a person who suffered from this...it's bad enough that the mother of a friend of mine does have this disease), and unbecoming of a decent person to talk like that. Of all the other analogies you could have made, this one was ridiculous.

An apology would be in order.

(note to self: brace for impact / --'s)

To be able to spout out answers that can pretty much always be found in the documentation ... doesn't suggest that the answerer possesses any supreme ability.

I believe this is exactly japhy's point. The only truly valuable recognition is that which comes from people whom one respects and admires, not from those who haven't even troubled themselves to read the documentation.

Also, your comment ... is a poor one at best. It's rude ... and unbecoming of a decent person to talk like that. An apology would be in order.

I like to pride myself (for better or worse) on usually steering clear of monestary politics. That said, can we all stop being so damn sensitive around here? There's no need for these moralizing, politically correct lynchings of harmless (yes, harmless) comments.

All I'm saying is, relax, and remember we're here to learn and have fun, not to niggle over imaginary or hypothetical slights.

   MeowChow                                   
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I've changed the node, and apologized. I also ++'ed this node, at which point I found it's reputation to be 0. That puzzles me.

mothra's node was honest, and it was rather proper. I do feel like a bastard for using a polio reference in the node, and I understand the point made. I don't see why such a post would be downvoted.

I rarely post about node reputation, but this is an exception. I don't understand why this node deserves negative reaction.

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Jeff japhy Pinyan: Perl, regex, and perl hacker.
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I would have to disagree with you on the guru definition, I would define a guru as someone who has reached a plateau of understanding somthing greater than typical use of something permits... If gurus were only those at the very top of the chain of your particular interest, then where would the poor pilgrims of perl go for enlightenment... Larry is far too busy to help them all :) I would almost say that guru comes at a point when it becomes easier to give answers than to find them, or at least to guide than be guided. I would say that Japhy is a guru... and you need not know all of perl to be a guru... he certainly knows his regexps... I don't know about the other stuff he does, but that is enough for me.

But this is just my opinion. It just seems to fit into the Genuine Indian Guru (Dr. Hook, Cover of the Rolling Stone) sense of the word... not that it is really important :)

                - Ant

Very few of us like to compare ourselves to people who we consider better than ourselves. One common solution is to put the person we don't want to compare ourselves with on a pedestal. If they are a guru/deity/whatever then it makes no sense to compare them with mere mortals like ourselves. The other reaction is to try to cut them down so that we can feel more comfortable comparing ourselves to them. Often you see both reactions in the same person.

You appear to get both responses. On the one hand you get called a guru. On the other hand you get accused of having a bot at hand. In both cases I believe that the best thing for you to do is to stay aware of the fact that what the other people are trying to do is not to specifically boost your ego or cut it down to size, instead it is a self-defence mechanism for protecting their own egos.

With that insight you should be able to see the process at work in other situations. For instance I think that it is a large part of the reaction that merlyn gets. The treatment of "geeks" and "nerds" by the general public. The way our society reacts to fame of any sort. If you look around you will have no problem accumulating specific examples.

In fact this twin reaction is closely related to the general phenomena of dominance hierarchies. The two ways of handling an individual you see as above you in the pecking order are to either prostrate yourself or mount a challenge. And no matter how inappropriate this reaction may be to industrialized civilization, the reaction is wired into us as a species.

If you want to understand exactly how deeply it is wired into us, and what some of the consequences are, then I can highly recommend Shadows of Forgotten Ancestors by Carl Sagan and Ann Druyan. (If, for instance, you don't understand why a certain four-letter word is used in the ways that it is, this book should give you some perspective on the connections between sex and dominance in primates.)

The fool who knows he is a fool
Is that much wiser.
The fool who thinks he is wise
Is a fool indeed.

BRIAN
I'm not the messiah, would you please listen! I'm not the 
messiah, do you understand? Honestly!

MOUSE
Only the true messiah denies his divinity.

BRIAN
What? Well, what sort of chance does that give me? All
right, I AM the messiah.

FOLLOWERS
He IS! He IS the messiah!
--[They prostrate themselves in front of him.]

BRIAN
Now fuck off!

--[longish pause]
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-Monty Python, Life of Brian
Sorry. I'm not discounting your post at all japhy, but I couldn't resist this one. I guess the point is that folks WANT to be lead, and create their own idols. Seems like you're dealing with it healthily, though.

Update: Please vote for other, more worthy posts in this thread.

You know the saying "Those who think they know everything annoy those of us who really do"?? That must explain why I annoy some people :-)

People tend to put the title guru on those that

One of his friends wisecracked that guru stood for "General Understanding, Really Useless" or some variation.

It goes without saying he solved my problem in under 10 secs.

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I didn't believe in evil until I dated it.

There's not much less than a newbie, and everything above a newbie's level is "magical" and "mysterious" and "hard", so one who knows more than they must be powerful in the ways of Perl

And finally, there is no point in this post other than to vent frustration. It will hardly stem the flow of such praiseworthy, albeit undesired, communication. You are better off writing some sort of email filter or IRC filter to deal with it.

But I guess every field has to deal with fending off the doe-eyed groupies.

   MeowChow                                   
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Hahaha... but shouldn't have have been a reply to jepri's post?

Regardless, it's clear what this means. A guru is anyone who can answer a question in 10 seconds or less.

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Jeff japhy Pinyan: Perl, regex, and perl hacker.
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The only solution to this problem appears to be not to attach too much weight to other's judgement of yourself.

"Perl Mind - Beginner's Mind" ?

Christian Lemburg
Brainbench MVP for Perl
http://www.brainbench.com

Some people do not wish to admit that others' accomplishments are the result of study and hard work and try to absolve their own lack of effort with the "guru delusion." It's easier to dismiss the truth than to admit that the level of effort put forth by the "guru" is what has made the difference.

Yes, this is a generalization. No, I'm not dismissing talent and intelligence. I've seen this behavior many times, I've even been guilty of it myself in the past. Perhaps that's why I understand it.

I don't like making this type of post because it goes against one of the top perlmonks, and only earns --'s, but:

Don't take this personally. I like the side of your personality that you show in the monastary. The posts that I can understand, I enjoy more often than not.

I hate this post.

It not only implies that monks must qualify before imparting praise upon you, but that most of us do not qualify in your book.

That is un-guru like as one can get...but, I guess that was your point. ;)

-OzzyOsbourne

That's not how I intended to come off. It's kinda like hearing my parents say I'm a great programmer, when they couldn't possibly know. Well, ok, it's different from that, because we're all programmers here.

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Jeff japhy Pinyan: Perl, regex, and perl hacker.
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watch the title...

It seems that this kind of topic is something that really stirs the common monks mind. Is it worth the excitement ? Hardly. Everyone, stop calling japhy a guru, ok ?!

eule