use feature qw( say ); use Encode qw( decode ); use Devel::Peek qw( Dump ); no utf8; my $utf8 = "Triple “S” Industrial Corp"; say length($utf8); # 30 chars Dump($utf8); # CUR = 30 my $ucp = decode("UTF-8", $utf8); say length($ucp); # 26 chars Dump($ucp); # CUR = 30