my $self =<<__END_OF_EVIL_GUY__ Sinister, dominating, loud, deep laughing tall guy with many weapons to hurt you with. __END_OF_EVIL_GUY__ #### my $clone = ref $self; # want to build an army in minutes? my $army = []; while ( my $clone = ref $self ) { push @{$army}, $clone; } # this has chiling implications... -- Casey