use B 'svref_2object'; my $something = "this is tadman's cached data"; my $something_obj = svref_2object(\$something); my $something_refcnt = $something_obj->REFCNT; #### __SIG__ use B; printf "You are here %08x\n", unpack "L!", unpack "P4", pack "L!", B::svref_2object(sub{})->OUTSIDE;