c:>perl -de 1 Loading DB routines from perl5db.pl version 1.23 Editor support available. Enter h or `h h' for help, or `perldoc perldebug' for more help. main::(-e:1): 1 DB<1> use Devel::Peek; DB<2> $a = undef; DB<3> Dump $a; SV = NULL(0x0) at 0x1aecc18 REFCNT = 1 FLAGS = () DB<4> $b = \$a; DB<5> Dump $a; SV = NULL(0x0) at 0x1aecc18 REFCNT = 2 ###<--------correct here FLAGS = ()