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    if( ()=(0,0) ) {
      print "sometimes you're counting the things in the list and getting 
    +2.\n"
    ...
    if( (0,0) ) {
       print "sometimes you're applying the comma operator and getting und
    +ef (last)\n";
    }
    
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    use Data::Dumper;
    print Dumper({ test1=>scalar( 7,13 ), test2=>scalar( ()=(7,13) ) }), "
    +\n";