in reply to Re: Re^2: Attack of the Downvote Bots
in thread Attack of the Downvote Bots

I was also interested in reputation of sierrathedog04's nodes. But I voted ++ on them from following reasons:
(1) I had gut feeling that sierrathedog04 is being slaughtered for wrong reason. I still believe it started as honest misunderstanding, and while if it was stupid from him to begin the post and then not to shut up - especially adding one rather embarrasing and tasteless follow-up- he tried hones discussion. But in the middle of flames nobody noticed it...
(2) If total newbie will post code snippet with blatant errors, will we try to destroy him personally? Not at all. If a member of our community makes stupid mistake, after all good posts which bring him to bishop level, does not he deserves the same patience, or even more than that?
(3) If you do not agree with your friend, will you start criticize him in front of so many others? Probably not.

I tried to send sierrathedog04 /msg with some support and encouragement, although now I realise not too usefull - I was not aware of how bad the situation was, and matters went out of hand too quickly.

Now when sierrathedog04 and also abigail are both gone, are we as community better of? I doubt so. Did we learn something? I am not so sure, but there are hopes. Some members are so ashamed of how they behaved during this crisis that they feel they need to post anonymously about what they did. I think it is good - I believe our community failed in this incident. Monastery survived, it is good, and we can learn from that. I am not sure what we should learn I am not expert in inner works of monastery - but I do hope that editors will next time react quicker and pull this slaughter offline sooner - to cool heads.
For myself, although I have nothing to be proud of in this infamous thread, at least there is nothing I am ashamed of. I was not quick enough with support and some kind of solution (and also I was doing something billable at the time), but I believe I did not hurt anybody too hard.

I do hope that both sierrathedog04 and abigail returned to our community with different nicks. If so, welcome back monks. I feel sorry if I said something what I should not, or when I was silent and afraid to loose couple of stupid XP, when I was loosing friends and should say something and make a difference, please forgive me. Please continue to contribute to knowledge in our monastery. You know you are very good, and we need your knowledge. Both of you are more knowledgeabla than I am, so it feels strange you have to start again from level 1, where I was couple months ago - but it does not matter. Knowledge is all that matters after all. Forget the XP, forget even taste of this experience, and start new reincarnation. Hope you are reading it, welcome back, and good luck.

pmas
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New Posts / Laziness
by azatoth (Curate) on Jul 31, 2001 at 10:38 UTC

    (2) If total newbie will post code snippet with blatant errors, will we try to destroy him personally? Not at all. If a member of our community makes stupid mistake, after all good posts which bring him to bishop level, does not he deserves the same patience, or even more than that?

    Actually, sadly, this does happen quite frequently. Hence the need for a newbie area, a tailored newbie welcome email, or at least something, to help people get a feel for the place. I don't know how many newbie posts I've seen that are rapidly downvoted for poor english / grammar / spelling, formatting, using words people don't like (LOL etc). That pisses me off. We strive to be a community with a wholehearted, spirited approach toward Perl, but *many* lack the patience and foresight required to ease new members into the fold.

    If anything needs to be changed, it's our approach to new posts. My 3 point plan :

    1. THINK! Before you vote, how long has this guy/gal been a member? Are they brand new? If so, welcome them. Give them a newbie ++. Do it.

    2. Don't Downvote. Msg them. Don't be lazy. Be proactive for the community.

    3. Nurture. I stayed here b/c a senior monk took the time to show me the ropes. Again, be proactive.

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      I fully agree, especially point 1. I'm now familiar with (the names of) most of the people who hang out here on a regular basis. When I see what I find is a pretty dumb post from someone I don't recognise, it's easy enough to right-click on their name and bring up their homenode in a seperate window.

      On a number of occasions this has stopped me trashing the node with a --, and instead giving a considered reply.

      Number 2 is also a good idea. This also goes both ways. I publicly critised (--ed and noded) a node that served only to point out a spelling error. When questioned, the person felt that since he didn't know the bad speller, he felt he couldn't be so presumptious as to message him. Messages are fun! Even from complete strangers and/or newbies!

      If everyone kept this in mind, there wouldn't even be a need for a newbie area. Remember what Casey West said.

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      These are wise suggestions, and I think they should be added to the FAQs-- maybe under a new section, 'Responsibilities for Perlmonks Elders' or something similar.

      This discussion has brought up an interesting point, mass-monk psychology. It wasn't obvious to me that many people would downvote a node to find out its rep, but this appears to be a real phenomanon. Personally, I would like to see the following information added to the Voting Guidelines (or 'How should I spend my votes?') FAQ entry:

      <nbsp> Downvoting for the purpose of finding the node's reputation rating is strongly discouraged, because it is unfair to the poster and tends to penalize nodes that would otherwise have neutral reputations. 

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