Re^2: How many man-hours would you estimate you have invested in learning Perl?

Hi pemungkah!

Calm down. It's just a joke. You may not think its funny, and that it is politically incorrect. But having this option is in no way implying that perlmonks is supporting racism or genderism.

Look at some of the other options. They also make fun on certain social groups. E.g.

Thanks to Scalosian water ...: What a mean play on people who think that Star Trek is reality ... we should be ashamed!
... so I get the maximum return on my investment: Looking at many postings here, people who only want to learn as few perl possible, in order to maximize their ROI, are not treated with respect at all
More time than I've spent learning basic social skills: It is so easy to mock nerds. And so mean, because they never take revenge.

In fact, there is no option a normal monk can chose, without being insulted being obsessive (last answer), snobbish (5th answer) or a noob (4th answer). If you judge perlmonks by just this poll, obviously no-one is welcome (except possibly bots).

So please don't take this poll seriously, and don't get enraged by that option. I don't see the need of a some-monks-are-discriminated-because-of-their-gender-we-need-to-end-this-discussion.

So long and have fun!

Rata (who likes that poll)

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Re^3: How many man-hours would you estimate you have invested in learning Perl? by tinita (Parson) on Apr 04, 2013 at 15:20 UTC
it's one of those seemingly harmless jokes we're confronted with regularly. I see a big difference to the other options. I don't have any problem with the "social skills" option. and it goes one level further - it's not "only" discriminating women, but it's discriminating those who complain about discrimination by pretending that all feminists are aggressive. especially after the incident where a woman heard a bad joke in a conference audience and put a photo of the guys on twitter (which I think was a really bad idea). just like I don't generalize men all being sexist, I don't want feminists being generalized as aggressive. like it was said in a similar discussion months ago, it's also about context. in a group of friends this might be funny because you know how it was meant.	[reply]
Re^4: How many man-hours would you estimate you have invested in learning Perl? by shetech (Initiate) on Apr 06, 2013 at 20:28 UTC
Just so. And this is one of the primary reasons why I don't hang out in communities like this very much, and is the reason why I don't attend developer conferences. Every step I take in that world is a reminder of why I'm not welcome.	[reply]
Re^5: How many man-hours would you estimate you have invested in learning Perl? by tinita (Parson) on Apr 06, 2013 at 23:23 UTC
that's a pity. :-/ I have to say that my personal experience at YAPCs and perl workshops is very good; I even was member of the orga team for the first time recently. We added a short policy against discrimination and harassment to our call for participation. I would like to encourage you to participate in conferences, and in case of an issue, talk to the orga team or the person in question; maybe that's the best way to make the right people aware of the problem. =)	[reply]
Re^5: How many man-hours would you estimate you have invested in learning Perl? by Anonymous Monk on Apr 08, 2013 at 12:58 UTC
Please don't take this community as an example. There seem to be some people who make bad jokes (possibly unintended), and unfortunately a number of machos who take part in such discussions and use all means to discredit anybody who is complaining. This is easy because it's anonmyous. I guess at conferences this is better. If those people are attending (what I doubt), then at least they usually don't dare to say aloud what they've written here.	[reply]
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Re^5: How many man-hours would you estimate you have invested in learning Perl? (skip) by Anonymous Monk on Apr 07, 2013 at 04:38 UTC
Every step I take in that world is a reminder of why I'm not welcome. Try skipping :)	[reply]
Re^5: How many man-hours would you estimate you have invested in learning Perl? by Jenda (Abbot) on Apr 08, 2013 at 14:12 UTC
Being oversensitive surely feels that way. I'll tell you a secret, we all feel not welcome at times. Some of us did not find an organization to amplify and return the feeling yet though. Jenda Enoch was right! Enjoy the last years of Rome.	[reply]
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Re^4: How many man-hours would you estimate you have invested in learning Perl? by Anonymous Monk on Apr 04, 2013 at 21:57 UTC
I just popped up to say "Hello!" I'll soon return back down below I came to further my agenda That single issue you'll remember My raison d'etre for contributions No questions to ask nor proffered solutions No molehills flattened just mountains raised My PC issue for which I must be praised My single issue to disturb the peace The issue that gives my life its lease And now I've done my duty clear That's it. I'm out of here	[reply]
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Re^3: How many man-hours would you estimate you have invested in learning Perl? by chromatic (Archbishop) on Apr 04, 2013 at 16:26 UTC
Edit: What was here was a cruel and specific piece of satire that's served its purpose. In short: if you were reminded almost every day that you're not quite like everyone else here and if that difference were the focus of countless jokes, you might get tired of feeling singled out all the time. It's not about just one joke. It's about a culture that can't seem to stop focusing on the irrelevant things that make you different instead of the common things that the community is, ostensibly, about.	[reply]
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Re^3: How many man-hours would you estimate you have invested in learning Perl? by pemungkah (Priest) on Apr 04, 2013 at 18:29 UTC
Yeah, telling an African-American "bet you like fried chicken and watermelon" or saying "you're Asian, can you do my math homework?" is just a joke too. The other jokes do not take advantage of privilege. This one does.	[reply]
Re^4: How many man-hours would you estimate you have invested in learning Perl? by Anonymous Monk on Apr 06, 2013 at 12:31 UTC
Q: How many psychologists does take to change a lightbulb? A: Just one, but the lightbulb has to really want to change. Q: How many capitalists does it take to change a lightbulb? A: Three. One to develop a marketing plan for the event. One to hire the underpaid schlep they'll exploit to actually do the work. One to sell tickets. Q: How many radical feminists does it take to..... A: THAT'S NOT FUNNY, YOU PRIVILEGED MICROAGRESSOR!!!!	[reply]
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