Re^2: If you were the first to set foot on the Moon, what would be your epigram?

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Re^3: If you were the first to set foot on the Moon, what would be your epigram? by bliako (Abbot) on Jul 23, 2019 at 18:22 UTC
his role in the U.S. space program is totally overestimated... I can't read german and so I can't see what the arguments are for von Braun's role being overestimated. it's understandable (judging from mankind's history) that a lot of people if they could would revise history and flush out a "nazi" (notice the quotes) or at least the inventor of the V2 (but not the one who gave the order to fire it onto civilians) from one of their nation's greatest achievements. I mean peaceful achievements ... I am for using knowledge wherever it comes from (not the same as banning some knowledge as too dangerous, e.g. nuclear bomb), but I am willing to discuss this and possibly change my mind. The dilemma being if said knowledge was a product of human/animal exploitation or just unethical and we used it, it may encourage further exploitation and we may find ourselves back to colonialism and the slave-trade. The DNA trio and the unfortunate fourth (the only female btw) is a case where colleagues antagonize and eventually backstub others. Sure Capitalism is based on the exploitation of labour of human beings. A lot of medicines and technology came from overworking and profiting from your workers (foxconn and france telecom suicides are an example of extreme exploitation). MOST importantly, not everyone has access to the products of that knowledge - do you know what diabetes medicines cost in some countries? So, what was the sacrifice and pain all about? The profit of the few? But my problem is with the hypocricy behind trying to eliminate the roles of disputable knowledge and people after we used them and made sure we sucked out all we could from them. Operation_Paperclip brought to the USA 1600 nazi (with or without quotes) to transfer knowledge gained under the 3rd reich and even from within auswitch so it was very intentional. Set the rules against exploitation and that backstubbing antagonism first, then punish those that violate the rules. Any knowlegde smuggled through should be stripped from authorship and eliminate its source. But keep it and reuse it- it was too expensive to gain anyway. But those in power, media or government, please! spare us the hypocricy. In the name of science bw, bliako	[reply]
Re^4: If you were the first to set foot on the Moon, what would be your epigram? by karlgoethebier (Abbot) on Jul 23, 2019 at 19:35 UTC
A serious reply to a serious theme. I will try to explain something... "...the arguments are for von Braun's role being overestimated..." The accusations aren't really new. The story goes like this, less or more: Von Braun wasn't really a good engineer. Not in the Third Reich and not in the U.S. The real work AKA good/real engineering was done by other guys. He was a good looking guy which had a "einnehmendes Wesen". Hard or impossible to translate. More a kind of a good project manager. He convinced JFK to go to the moon. But he also managed the V-weapons . This job wasn't really good. See Peenemünde for an entry point for the whole story. You will find out how many died for this useless crap. «The Crux of the Biscuit is the Apostrophe» `perl -MCrypt::CBC -E 'say Crypt::CBC->new(-key=>'kgb',-cipher=>"Blowfish")->decrypt_hex($ENV{KARL});'`Help	[reply] [d/l]
Re^5: If you were the first to set foot on the Moon, what would be your epigram? by stevieb (Canon) on Jul 31, 2019 at 19:52 UTC
"More a kind of a good project manager." A politician who knew how to kiss and kick ass when required to further his own agenda, like any decent (ie disgusting) politician.	[reply]
Re^6: If you were the first to set foot on the Moon, what would be your epigram? by karlgoethebier (Abbot) on Jul 31, 2019 at 22:27 UTC
Re^3: If you were the first to set foot on the Moon, what would be your epigram? by LanX (Saint) on Jul 23, 2019 at 15:37 UTC
> BTW, Wernher von Braun was never a general. Just SS-Sturmbannführer Don't you think he would have been promoted till 69? Please compare Sergei_Korolev#Awards_and_honours > his role in the U.S. space program is totally overestimated IIRC he popularized the idea with the help of a Disney TV show, before NASA was even founded. NB: I wasn't too serious just watching a lot of alternate reality shows, while weirdos are taking over real governments. Cheers Rolf _{(addicted to the Perl Programming Language :) Wikisyntax for the Monastery FootballPerl is like chess, only without the dice}	[reply]
Re^4: If you were the first to set foot on the Moon, what would be your epigram? by karlgoethebier (Abbot) on Jul 23, 2019 at 16:17 UTC
"...he would have been promoted..." Probably yes if this dumb ars wouldn't have killed JFK way down in Texas in 1963. The first time i saw my grandfather weep. A real hard-boiled man that survived two big wars. But i wonder what the merits would have been for the promotion: Efficent use of a slide rule? And this ~~thing~~ tool looks like the one my father used. «The Crux of the Biscuit is the Apostrophe» `perl -MCrypt::CBC -E 'say Crypt::CBC->new(-key=>'kgb',-cipher=>"Blowfish")->decrypt_hex($ENV{KARL});'`Help	[reply] [d/l]
Re^5: If you were the first to set foot on the Moon, what would be your epigram? by LanX (Saint) on Jul 23, 2019 at 16:37 UTC
> Probably yes if this dumb ars wouldn't have killed JFK way down / Wernher killed JFK? ... Now that you mention it ... I wasn't referring to John F. when I was talking about the Führer and alternative reality Anyway I have to stop this here, Mel and I need to march back to our panzer base. Cheers Rolf _{(addicted to the Perl Programming Language :) Wikisyntax for the Monastery FootballPerl is like chess, only without the dice}	[reply]
Re^6: If you were the first to set foot on the Moon, what would be your epigram? by karlgoethebier (Abbot) on Jul 23, 2019 at 16:59 UTC
Re^7: If you were the first to set foot on the Moon, what would be your epigram? by LanX (Saint) on Jul 23, 2019 at 21:32 UTC
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