in reply to Re^2: Blessing with unknown classnames
in thread Blessing with unknown classnames

Nice,

on my windows 10 box each package seems to eat ~1k of memory:

perl -we "sub mem{system qq(tasklist /FI \"PID eq $$\"|findstr perl)}; + mem();bless {}, qq(A$_) for 1 .. 1000000;mem()" perl.exe 29356 Console 1 6 +.616 K perl.exe 29356 Console 1 1.353 +.656 K

and quite the same on my Linux box:

perl -we 'sub mem{system qq(cat /proc/$$/status | grep ^VmSize)}; mem( +);bless {}, qq(A$_) for 1 .. 1000000;mem()' VmSize: 23768 kB VmSize: 1234168 kB

Obviously the package is empty..

perl -MDevel::Symdump -e "bless {},'notexisting';print Devel::Symdump- +>new('noexisting')->as_string" arrays functions hashes ios packages scalars unknowns

..holding just the AUTOLOAD

use strict; use warnings; my %before = %main::; bless {},'nonexistent'; my %after = %main::; foreach my $symbol (sort keys %after) { next if exists $before{$symbol}; local *myglob = $after{$symbol}; if ( defined *myglob{HASH} ) { my %val = %{ *myglob{HASH} }; print "HASH \%$symbol = ( "; while( my ($key, $val) = each %val ) { print "$key=>'$val', "; } print ")\n" ; } } __END__ HASH %nonexistent:: = ( AUTOLOAD=>'*nonexistent::AUTOLOAD', )

..but: For various obscure reasons, typeglobs are always created with a Null SV in the SCALAR slot.

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Re^4: Blessing with unknown classnames
by LanX (Saint) on Apr 02, 2021 at 08:46 UTC
    It doesn't matter if the package is empty, a STASH was created to hold the symbols.

    And the initial overhead for a hash is profound, even if it's empty. Like I said several hundreds of bytes.

    Furthermore do I remember someone explaining that packages which become classes receive further optimization. In order to speed up method lookup (IIRC), but I don't really know the details..

    I'm not aware of any application which tries to generate a massive amount of pseudo packages, I'm just saying it might not be the best idea to create many global data structures which are never destroyed.

    And if you only generate a small number, take care about controlling the namespace, because they are global.

    Fun fact: As a side effect of my experiments I was even able to block a package name in a way that any further package blocked_name; would globally fail.

    Like: "Hey I hate Moose, if you use my module in your project you won't be able to ever use Moose later!" ;-)

    Cheers Rolf
    (addicted to the Perl Programming Language :)
    Wikisyntax for the Monastery

Re^4: Blessing with unknown classnames
by LanX (Saint) on Apr 03, 2021 at 01:04 UTC
    > ..holding just the AUTOLOAD

    hmm interesting ... it's only the scalar $AUTOLOAD which is created and not any sub &AUTOLOAD

    And the value is undef

    I'd say that's only a random side-effect (probably bug), there is no use of $AUTOLOAD without &AUTOLOAD

    Cheers Rolf
    (addicted to the Perl Programming Language :)
    Wikisyntax for the Monastery