Re^7: Google considers Perl a useful skill

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Re^8: Google considers Perl a useful skill by GrandFather (Saint) on Oct 12, 2022 at 23:55 UTC
I heard a lot of anti PHP sentiment before I had any real encounter with PHP. After using PHP for a little (a few thousand lines of code maybe) I realised that all the bad mouthing I'd heard was actually quite reserved and PHP is much worse than its rep! Maybe the people bad mouthing PHP haven't actually used it? Optimising for fewest key strokes only makes sense transmitting to Pluto or beyond	[reply]
Re^8: Google considers Perl a useful skill by Your Mother (Archbishop) on Oct 13, 2022 at 01:09 UTC
It was pretty early on but I was dead shocked at how low the quality of the popular PHP libraries was back in the day compared to CPAN stuff. It wasn’t just the schitzo function naming and such, the ecosphere was trash. WordPress made IE look like it was on top of security.	[reply]
Re^9: Google considers Perl a useful skill by afoken (Chancellor) on Oct 13, 2022 at 09:17 UTC
WordPress made IE look like it was on top of security. I don't like PHP at all, but judging the language by one nightmare application is unfair. Yes, PHP might make it harder than necessary to write safe code, but there are worse offenders, like assembler or Hunchback-Gollum-Salvatore. Looking at perl, let's not forget Matt's Script Archive, which is a good example for bad Perl code. And while we are at it: strict is off by default. warnings are off by default. Taint mode is off by default except when running on Unix and real and effective user and/or group ID differ. Warnings and strict are off by default even then. And don't make me start complaining about the documentation of Exporter (1, 2) or CGI (1). Alexander -- Today I will gladly share my knowledge and experience, for there are no sweeter words than "I told you so". ;-)	[reply]
Re^10: Google considers Perl a useful skill by Your Mother (Archbishop) on Oct 13, 2022 at 14:15 UTC
Oh, I know and I specifically thought of mentioning MSA but the CPAN was a better comparison for what I saw. This was c 2003 and it wasn’t some lone dude’s awful code that unwitting people were using, it was one of the PEAR packages that everyone was using while also putting passwords in GET query strings as a standard practice. I know the community and code improved since then but a lot of the training wheels without the bike critique of PHP still applies.	[reply]
Re^9: Google considers Perl a useful skill by LanX (Saint) on Oct 13, 2022 at 13:12 UTC
I think that in their early years the then small Python community oriented themselves a lot at the Perl and copied concepts, like the hatred against PHP. Like all new religious movements they needed to position themselves against the established competition, and this was ingrained into the believe. Christianity did this with Judaism (godkiller, etc.), the Quran speaks at long length where Christianity went wrong. And Python like Islam has the tendency of claiming to have the final truth, the seal of the prophets. I remember seeing a blog-post of the angry backslash when the Ruby-folks tried to imitate those anti memes but now against Python. Having a boogeyman is very useful for a movement. The "paradox" is that the most vocal enemies are often the least competent. Many people which have abysmally small know how are the biggest "zealots" - another religious term BTW. Nobody likes to admit he's incompetent, but the "pre-formatted" Python syntax is visually more likely appealing to any static data-type (Java etc) programmer, and by imitating the anti-Perl "credo" they can pretend to be experts. I had my aha-moment when I met this team-leader who hated Perl and told me at long length why he loved Java for its strictness and bash for it's flexibility. It didn't make much sense. My theological 2cents. :) Cheers Rolf _{(addicted to the 𐍀𐌴𐍂𐌻 Programming Language :) Wikisyntax for the Monastery}	[reply]
Re^10: Google considers Perl a useful skill by Your Mother (Archbishop) on Oct 13, 2022 at 14:16 UTC
I prefer PHP to Java FWIW. :P	[reply]
Re^11: Google considers Perl a useful skill by hippo (Archbishop) on Oct 13, 2022 at 15:21 UTC
Re^11: Google considers Perl a useful skill by Bod (Parson) on Oct 13, 2022 at 22:12 UTC
Re^12: Google considers Perl a useful skill by Your Mother (Archbishop) on Oct 14, 2022 at 00:25 UTC
Re^12: Google considers Perl a useful skill by eyepopslikeamosquito (Archbishop) on Oct 14, 2022 at 00:01 UTC
Re^12: Google considers Perl a useful skill by hippo (Archbishop) on Oct 14, 2022 at 08:52 UTC
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Re^8: Google considers Perl a useful skill by eyepopslikeamosquito (Archbishop) on Oct 12, 2022 at 23:59 UTC
Ha ha! Is that directed at me?! :) Partially guilty I suppose because I've never written a production PHP program. After learning PHP for code golf, I remember being shocked while trawling through 3000 verbose, and often appallingly inconsistent, built-in functions. I may also have been influenced by a "PHP training wheels without the bike" web site back then. Though I've never written a production PHP program, I hope my perfect record in PHP golf competitions (3 victories from 3 games) gives some credibility to my PHP badmouthing. :)	[reply]
Re^9: Google considers Perl a useful skill by LanX (Saint) on Oct 13, 2022 at 10:21 UTC
> Ha ha! Is that directed at me?! :) No, but I know that you are fair and considerate! :) Cheers Rolf _{(addicted to the 𐍀𐌴𐍂𐌻 Programming Language :) Wikisyntax for the Monastery}	[reply]