Thank you Danny, I'm lost in the threads but all of the scripts run in html and also in the shell except one. Which ran without a problem 15 times. Now, on the 16th try is when the message shows. The server is dedicated and purposely has had zero upgrades because upgrades tend to break things. I tried running as root and also as admin. I think html runs as wheel but I'm not sure. All the scripts are 755 permission. I think the html user is www-data. www-data 31575 0.0 0.3 98448 7588 ? S 06:25 0:08 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start