Re^3: Is ChatGPT like having a thousand monkeys? (Blank lines in emails)

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Re^4: Is ChatGPT like having a thousand monkeys? (Blank lines in emails) by afoken (Chancellor) on Mar 23, 2025 at 13:15 UTC
IMHO, only unless the OP used an empty boundary in multipart message. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIME#Multipart_messages Even with an empty boundary, message parts are separated by lines composed of `--`, followed by the (empty) boundary, followed by CR/LF. So an empty line never separates MIME message parts, it must at least begin with `--`. The end of all mime parts is indicated by appending another `--` to the boundary. Copying the example from Wikipedia: `MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=frontier This is a message with multiple parts in MIME format. --frontier Content-Type: text/plain This is the body of the message. --frontier Content-Type: application/octet-stream Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 PGh0bWw+CiAgPGhlYWQ+CiAgPC9oZWFkPgogIDxib2R5PgogICAgPHA+VGhpcyBpcyB0aG +Ug Ym9keSBvZiB0aGUgbWVzc2FnZS48L3A+CiAgPC9ib2R5Pgo8L2h0bWw+Cg== --frontier--` [download] Changed to an empty boundary: `MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary= This is a message with multiple parts in MIME format. -- Content-Type: text/plain This is the body of the message. -- Content-Type: application/octet-stream Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 PGh0bWw+CiAgPGhlYWQ+CiAgPC9oZWFkPgogIDxib2R5PgogICAgPHA+VGhpcyBpcyB0aG +Ug Ym9keSBvZiB0aGUgbWVzc2FnZS48L3A+CiAgPC9ib2R5Pgo8L2h0bWw+Cg== ----` [download] (I'm not sure if the empty boundary needs to be quoted. Nobody does that, anyway. The boundary should be a string that does not appear anywhere in the messages. In practice, you stuff in some random data, perhaps user agent, perhaps a timestamp. Maybe hash it. Just get a good chunk of line noise. See Re^5: Using Net::SMTP to send email attachments for more details.) Alexander -- Today I will gladly share my knowledge and experience, for there are no sweeter words than "I told you so". ;-)	[reply] [d/l] [select]
Re^5: Is ChatGPT like having a thousand monkeys? (Blank lines in emails) by LanX (Saint) on Mar 25, 2025 at 17:35 UTC
Thanks, yes you are of course right. Shortly after writing I noticed my blunder, but each time I tried fixing it the monastery was unreachable for me. Cheers Rolf _{(addicted to the Perl Programming Language :) see Wikisyntax for the Monastery}	[reply]
Re^6: Is ChatGPT like having a thousand monkeys? (Blank lines in emails) by cavac (Prior) on Apr 01, 2025 at 12:49 UTC
Your "blunder" is easy to forgive. You are not the one running a billion dollar company who has promised (and failed) for the last 30+ years to finally fix the most obvious bugs in their expensive email client. ;-) PerlMonks XP is useless? Not anymore: XPD - Do more with your PerlMonks XP Also check out my sisters artwork and my weekly webcomics	[reply]
Re^7: Is ChatGPT like having a thousand monkeys? (Blank lines in emails) by LanX (Saint) on Apr 01, 2025 at 16:40 UTC
Re^8: Is ChatGPT like having a thousand monkeys? (Blank lines in emails) by afoken (Chancellor) on Apr 01, 2025 at 23:21 UTC
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Re^4: Is ChatGPT like having a thousand monkeys? (Blank lines in emails) by talexb (Chancellor) on Mar 23, 2025 at 20:38 UTC
I haven't posted a good example because I'm protecting my client's information, but here's a taste of what I was seeing. This is one of the parts of the page that was causing breakage: `<!DOCTYPE html> <html> <head> <title>Daily Sage Issues</title> <style> body { font-family: sans-serif; } table { border: 1px solid black; border-spacing: 0px; border-collap +se: separate } td { border: 1px solid black; padding: 5px; } td.right { text-align: right; } td.left { text-align: left; } td.center { text-align: center; } td.bold { text-align: right; font-weight: bold; } div.head { text-align: center; font-size: 24px; } </style> </head> <body> ...` [download] and here's the repaired section that worked fine: `<!DOCTYPE html> <html> <head> <title>Daily Sage Issues</title> <style> body { font-family: sans-serif; } table { border: 1px solid black; border-collapse: collapse } td { border: 1px solid black; padding: 5px; } td.right { text-align: right; } td.left { text-align: left; } td.center { text-align: center; } td.bold { text-align: right; font-weight: bold; } div.head { text-align: center; font-size: 24px; } </style> </head> <body> ...` [download] It really was as simple as removing all of the blank lines in the HTML page. Alex / talexb / Toronto For a long time, I had a link in my .sig going to Groklaw. I heard that as of December 2024, this link is dead. Still, thanks to PJ for all your work, we owe you so much. RIP Groklaw -- 2003 to 2013.	[reply] [d/l] [select]
Re^5: Is ChatGPT like having a thousand monkeys? (Blank lines in emails) by LanX (Saint) on Mar 25, 2025 at 17:32 UTC
Sorry, maybe I should have been more explicit about the SSCCE we need. Not just the embedded HTML, the whole surrounding email. If you use gmail for instance, you can click on "Show Original" to see what was exchanged. (I forgot how to get there in Outlook) Here a"censored" SSCCE I've send this Sunday. MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2025 15:22:37 +0100 Message-ID: <5i96M49FeA+kFy8n2BdseXUtqAHQ_CAAJWxWVzdM@mail.SOME_PROVID +ER.com> Subject: Klappt morgen??? From: rolf lanx <rolf.lanx@SOME_PROVIDER.com> To: "Joky Bäcker" <j.Baecker@SOME_OTHER_PROVIDER.de> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000003918c406310 +338d2" --0000000000003918c406310338d2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Ich wei=C3=9F du hast es in deinem Kalender stehen, aber sicher ist si +cher.= .. LG Rolf --0000000000003918c406310338d2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"auto">Hi<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Ich +wei= =C3=9F du hast es in deinem Kalender stehen, aber sicher ist sicher... +</div= ><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">LG=C2=A0</div><div dir= +3D"au= to">=C2=A0 Rolf</div></div> --0000000000003918c406310338d2-- [download] I have no Outlook configured to test ATM, But as I said already, even if that failed with empty lines, a base64 encoding should IMHO work. PS: I doubt we need the message ID, I think this is added anyway by the outbound mail server, not the client. (But I may be wrong and might be corrected soon ;) Cheers Rolf _{(addicted to the Perl Programming Language :) see Wikisyntax for the Monastery}	[reply] [d/l]
Re^6: Is ChatGPT like having a thousand monkeys? (Blank lines in emails) by talexb (Chancellor) on Mar 25, 2025 at 22:08 UTC
I have this part .. --17410280190.8F1407fC3.912618 Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2025 13:53:38 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain <html> <head> <title>Daily Sage Issues</title> <style> body { font-family: sans-serif; } table { border: 1px solid black; border-spacing: 0px; border-collap +se: separate } td { border: 1px solid black; padding: 5px; } td.right { text-align: right; } td.left { text-align: left; } td.center { text-align: center; } td.bold { text-align: right; font-weight: bold; } div.head { text-align: center; font-size: 24px; } </style> </head> <body> <h2>Sage IC Issues - SG1</h2> ... [download] And I'm intrigued to see that the content type is labelled as text/plain (probably the default that Email::Simple::Markdown creates). I wonder if I switch that to text/html if the blank line problem would go away. It could be that the message arrives as text/plain, but Outlook checks it out and says, "Hey, this is HTML! I can render this!", then sees a blank line, goes back to displaying regular text until the "HTML!" code pops back into gear and it goes back to rendering. Alex / talexb / Toronto For a long time, I had a link in my .sig going to Groklaw. I heard that as of December 2024, this link is dead. Still, thanks to PJ for all your work, we owe you so much. RIP Groklaw -- 2003 to 2013.	[reply] [d/l]
Re^7: Is ChatGPT like having a thousand monkeys? ( Markdown != HTML ) by LanX (Saint) on Mar 26, 2025 at 01:12 UTC