I should also add that I am using Active State Perl version 5.16.3 and have no reason to update. Im using Alien-Wxwidgets 0.65 from Mark Dootson, Wx version 0.9921 by Mattia Barbon, and I also installed the Wx demo along time ago (which did help tremendously). i can pack these up and email them to you if you have trouble finding them. I was having a ton of problems until I installed Wx from Mattia Barbon.