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No, I don't think so. I am not sure what your code has to do with anything. If you flush STDOUT after every write, that is same as un-buffering it.

Consider Program 1:

#!/usr/bin/perl use warnings; for my $i (1..5) { $x+1; # here just to throw an error to STDERR print "$i\n"; } __END__ Useless use of addition (+) in void context at C:\Projects_Perl\testin +g\demoStdErrorTiming1.pl line 6. Name "main::x" used only once: possible typo at C:\Projects_Perl\testi +ng\demoStdErrorTiming1.pl line 6. Use of uninitialized value $x in addition (+) at C:\Projects_Perl\test +ing\demoStdErrorTiming1.pl line 6. Use of uninitialized value $x in addition (+) at C:\Projects_Perl\test +ing\demoStdErrorTiming1.pl line 6. Use of uninitialized value $x in addition (+) at C:\Projects_Perl\test +ing\demoStdErrorTiming1.pl line 6. Use of uninitialized value $x in addition (+) at C:\Projects_Perl\test +ing\demoStdErrorTiming1.pl line 6. Use of uninitialized value $x in addition (+) at C:\Projects_Perl\test +ing\demoStdErrorTiming1.pl line 6. 1 2 3 4 5
Consider Program 2:
#!/usr/bin/perl use warnings; $|=1; ### BIG DEAL HERE ### Unbuffers STDOUT for my $i (1..5) { $x+1; #here just to throw an error to STDERR print "$i\n"; } __END__ Useless use of addition (+) in void context at C:\Projects_Perl\testin +g\demoStdErrorTiming2.pl line 7. Name "main::x" used only once: possible typo at C:\Projects_Perl\testi +ng\demoStdErrorTiming2.pl line 7. Use of uninitialized value $x in addition (+) at C:\Projects_Perl\test +ing\demoStdErrorTiming2.pl line 7. 1 Use of uninitialized value $x in addition (+) at C:\Projects_Perl\test +ing\demoStdErrorTiming2.pl line 7. 2 Use of uninitialized value $x in addition (+) at C:\Projects_Perl\test +ing\demoStdErrorTiming2.pl line 7. 3 Use of uninitialized value $x in addition (+) at C:\Projects_Perl\test +ing\demoStdErrorTiming2.pl line 7. 4 Use of uninitialized value $x in addition (+) at C:\Projects_Perl\test +ing\demoStdErrorTiming2.pl line 7. 5
Program 1's error messages come out right way while stdout messages come later because the stdout's filehandle's output buffer is not ready to be "flushed", "printed".

Program 2's error messages are interleaved with "normal" prints because the normal prints are being prematurely flushed out. There is a big,(can be HUGE) performance penalty for this but, this makes debugging easier.

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Re^7: Need sleep walking help
by haukex (Archbishop) on Feb 02, 2017 at 08:59 UTC

    Hi Marshall,

    Program 1's error messages come out right way while stdout messages come later because the stdout's filehandle's output buffer is not ready to be "flushed", "printed".

    Sorry, but that's not quite correct either. If run from the terminal, your Program 1's STDOUT will be line-buffered and will flush its STDOUT on every newline, but the order in which STDOUT and STDERR output is intermixed on the terminal is AFAIK not well-defined. On my machine, the output of both programs looks the same when run from the terminal.

    See also my post here.

    Regards,
    -- Hauke D

      Ok, fair enough. There are some fine details here, one of which is whether the std output is going to a terminal or not? I did a copy and paste from my dev environment which is not exactly the same as running from the command line directly.

      My demo is not "bullet proof", but I think it gives the idea of what can happen.

      Thanks for your good points.

        Hi Marshall,

        I did a copy and paste from my dev environment which is not exactly the same as running from the command line directly.

        Sure, that's a possibility. Even something as seemingly simple as perl foo.pl | grep bar or even perl foo.pl | cat on the terminal will cause Perl to turn off line buffered mode on STDOUT and cause the need for $|++ if you want "live" output.

        Regards,
        -- Hauke D