in reply to Yet Another Appeal for Civility

Can't we all just get along?

Of course we can, and we do.

Apparently not, but can't we at least all make a more concerted effort?

Well, that is just you (probably others also) - but all of us are making a concerted effort, as much as any one can afford. This site survived embarassing threads like the one which prompted AbigailII to depart, and many vitriolic posts before and after that.

This site is packed with knowledge, with people that are seeking to learn, and people willing to teach (too many to provide a consistent link for them). The best answers are teaching by example in a suitable way. Civility is secondary, but it is also taught by example.

I am glad that I don't have to answer ervery question. I am glad my fellow monks do that for me, and what is more, they mostly already did whenever I click on a SoPW. Same goes for civility. If I have something to contribute, I do; else I move on.

Having said that - all civility is your own. It is something that can be displayed, offered, shared - and thus, may be tought by example. But it isn't something that can be preached, instigated or demanded, by the same way you cannot preach, instigate or demand expertise in programming perl. It happens, or it doesn't.

perl -le'print map{pack c,($-++?1:13)+ord}split//,ESEL'

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Re^2: Yet Another Appeal for Civility
by Discipulus (Canon) on Mar 11, 2017 at 14:09 UTC
    ++shmem and shmem++ (even if the behaviour is undefined..)

    I'd add that the best behaviour is what I do with my relatives: if something good come from them I ear, if something bad I ignore. Non ragioniam di lor, ma guarda e passa

    The worst it happened in that thread is that the OP received some decent answer + some hours of polemics.

    When I saw the question I read some answers, then I started seeing polimic ones: I thought "it is possible no one has suggested to glob?". I've done CTRL-F glob ENTER and when 0 occurences appeared I composed my answer. I'm glad to help here at PM, more: I'm proud if I can help someone in Perl. I'm here to learn, to have fun and to offer my limited knoweledge if someone need it.

    Severity with myself, indulgence for others. Do your best, skip the rest.

    And take it easy!

    L*

    There are no rules, there are no thumbs..
    Reinvent the wheel, then learn The Wheel; may be one day you reinvent one of THE WHEELS.
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      ++Discipulus for teaching me, a native English speaker, a new and useful word with polemics. That's exactly the word I was looking for, thanks.

      Just another Perl hooker - And definitely not the kind with any $class whatsoever.
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        ;=) Ah! this happens sometimes: you are welcome.

        The cause is simple: neo-latin native speakers choose among words they are familiar with. In english many not so frequent, scientific, studied or intellectual ones comes from latin or even greek ones(as in this case).

        The result is that even a person who has not studied english (well, some months some decade ago..) and that make many ugly basic mistakes can produce sentences with a studied appearence to the ear of a native english speaker.

        This is an intersting phenomenon.

        familiar, studied (adj.), intellectual, person, decade, phenomenon are examples where a native english probably would choose a different rooted word coming from old english or ancient germanic.

        L*

        There are no rules, there are no thumbs..
        Reinvent the wheel, then learn The Wheel; may be one day you reinvent one of THE WHEELS.
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Re^2: Yet Another Appeal for Civility
by trippledubs (Deacon) on Mar 11, 2017 at 14:49 UTC

    Abigail-II nodes are the very best that PM has to offer. It was not until seeing that thread a couple years back, that I knew PM culture to be flawed. (still awesome though) A shame. Survival is not the function of an instant, but over time. Cobol survives. Kind of ironic actually that the call to civility, over and above being technically correct, seems to be what prompted Abigail-II (the account at least) to leave.

    Reminds me of the book Atlas Shrugged when John Galt leaves. The premise of the book is that the people of ability leave the world to others who prefer civility over ability. In short order the non-producers turn to torture to make them come back. Not real though, civility is still good

    my favorite: Many children, but never more than a fixed number at once. freaking beautiful still. Only 37 rep; should be a million.

    But it isn't something that can be preached, instigated or demanded, by the same way you cannot preach, instigate or demand expertise in programming perl. It happens, or it doesn't.

    I wouldn't say it just happens.. but when people are afraid to ask a question it doesn't. And when the very best programmers get castigated and stop generously donating their time and energy, it doesn't happen either.

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      Some of the best people I've known were brilliant, civil and giving. These traits are not mutually exclusive.

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