Outstanding! Glad I finally was able to describe it precisely enough that you could find it. I assume this means the request for a zipped copy of stuff is now irrelevant? If still useful I could certainly do it. My own further investigation discovered bugs I still have to report on Thumbs Plus -- the database export CSV header and body lines aren't compatible. Sigh. But that's not in any way *your* problem :-) . But I've got a new Text::CSV one, too, that I'll post shortly in a new thread.