I have been away from perl for about 10 yrs. Last time i used it was on windows xp. I probably am a low intermedeate perl user. I installed activeperl about 4 months ago and immediately saw a difference. Since then I have tried this with both activeperl and strawberry perl on windows xp, windows 7 and new windows 10 machines with the same results. The only thing I found on the monks gave the cure as deleting the perl dir manually and then re- installing. I have done this several times, on diff machines and diff o/s's and,as I said even a brand new win 10 machine. when I invoke perl in debugger mode, perl exucutes the first line of the program, then outputs the following: unable to get terminals size. the win32 getconsolescreeenbuffersize call did not work....(more related info). the program then continues to work properly, except obviouslly, for I/O call's to the console. I've tried this with several old, as well as new programs with and without the 'use win32' call. I give up.. Can someone please help? Thanks