Re^2: RFC: Self Assessment Perl

> Indicating how critical each piece of knowledge is might be useful though?

as I said I didn't prioritize, and things are too interconnected.

like {%h} is not only a ref to an anonymous hash but the %h is flattened inside the { LIST } operation.

> You can get quite good with perl without having to understand BEGIN or even the notion of compile/run time, so I was kind of surprised that this was the first question.

My colleagues have to understand modules, for that to understand they need compile-time and namespaces

(I'm sick of all the requires into main:: in our code...)

Variable declaration happens at compile-time, die'ing at run-time should be avoided , ... and so on.

> Where can I look this up? ... Best question.

yes but they also need a mental map of essential key words.

A condensed Perlglossary would be nice, probably more explicit and with less Larry injokes.

> Actually this made me realize that I didn't know the answer to that correctly

Mission accomplished! :)

Cheers Rolf
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Re^3: RFC: Self Assessment Perl by Corion (Patriarch) on Sep 06, 2018 at 14:18 UTC
I think you don't need to understand BEGIN to understand modules at a certain level. I think a useful lie is that `use` is just like `require`+`->import()`, and to postpone the discussion of BEGIN. You can always gloss over that by saying that `use` must appear at the top of any code.	[reply] [d/l] [select]
Re^4: RFC: Self Assessment Perl by LanX (Saint) on Sep 06, 2018 at 14:27 UTC
Not in our case, we have self-written "modules" messing around. And colleagues who hacked 10+ years in Perl should be confronted with the concept. Cheers Rolf _{(addicted to the Perl Programming Language :) Wikisyntax for the Monastery FootballPerl is like chess, only without the dice}	[reply]
Re^3: RFC: Self Assessment Perl by Eily (Monsignor) on Sep 06, 2018 at 14:53 UTC
Maybe you could add "what are the TWO differences between use and require?" to your list of questions then.	[reply]
Re^4: RFC: Self Assessment Perl by LanX (Saint) on Sep 06, 2018 at 15:21 UTC
To be clear, I think it's important to understand what the concept of compile-time is. The question for BEGIN is just one possibility to activate a thought process... sub declaration has compile- and run-time effects my declaration has compile- and run-time effects The situation was that many people with different skills wanted to join a workshop, where most can't communicate what they need to know. I actually had to kick out one person who came unprepared and without former notice, and wanted to drag the whole workshop into his Delphi/Pascal world. As soon as my colleagues know at least the names of the "concepts" they will have the vocabulary to communicate without me being there. To give you a wider perspective, I'm just reading an important DSL book from a Java guy who constantly keeps using the word "closure" as synonym for "anonymous function" or "lambda". That's total BS, but quite common in other languages... Cheers Rolf _{(addicted to the Perl Programming Language :) Wikisyntax for the Monastery FootballPerl is like chess, only without the dice}	[reply]