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I could go on.

Of course you could; but what for?

IMHO the best attitude ist to filter out abuse by keeping in mind that they are talking to their own anger, and keep the bits that matter.

I think it's more likely that volunteers don't want to take abuse from someone who refuses to communicate with anything other than abuse.

Granted, but even somebody with Tourette syndrome might have something useful to say. As the linked article tells, it doesn't adversely affect intelligence.

edit: I'm not saying nor believing anybody has tourette or any other disorder; I'm not skilled to diagnose nor could I do anything about it, if that where the case. Talking only about my attitude wrt abusive remarks.

perl -le'print map{pack c,($-++?1:13)+ord}split//,ESEL'

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Re^7: Perl 11
by chromatic (Archbishop) on Oct 25, 2018 at 16:30 UTC
    IMHO the best attitude ist to filter out abuse by keeping in mind that they are talking to their own anger, and keep the bits that matter.

    p5p's goal isn't to build the finest, most technically excellent, most advanced piece of software at any point in time.

    p5p's goal is to build something that lasts.

    A handful of features have been delayed or backed out before being released in stable form or even removed because they threatened the stability of the language, the integrity of the CPAN, or the stability of enough code in the wild that they presented an untenable risk to the future of Perl.

    Technically good patches have been rejected because they don't have sufficient documentation or tests or comments such that they risk maintenance problems for the future of the codebase.

    In much the same way, allowing abuse and vitriol that is completely unnecessary and completely optional and completely controllable threatens the integrity of the project itself. Multiple contributors have walked away from p5p for short and long periods of time because of abuse from Reini and Marc.

    p5p is optimizing for something that lasts, and requiring contributors to avoid personal attacks is part of that process.

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      …p5p is optimizing for something that lasts, and requiring contributors to avoid personal attacks is part of that process.

      This really resonates and shifts my outsider perspective a little into what I think is a better vantage.

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      "Poisonous people will show up and distract your developers from productive work. They cause emotional drain because they'll start infighting or squabbling or that sort of thing. What they do is basically: you're going down a certain road and they're going to either stop you, slow you down, or try and turn you off a different road. Some people will do this on purpose, some people will do this by accident.... These people who will disrupt your progress are not always doing it intentionally, in fact I think more often they're doing it unintentionally. They're so into the project and they want it to be so perfect that they will actually end up hurting you with their perfectionism."

      --How Open Source Projects Survive Poisonous People:
      www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSFDm3UYkeE

      "The other thing that's going on, which I think is very troubling, is the gangsterization of American politics that has occurred really in the last 10 years. By the gangsterization of American politics I mean this: It is the idea that the person who disagrees with you isn't your critic, he's your enemy. You have to shut him up, or take him out."

      --Dinesh D'Souza (Yesterday): youtu.be/Mh36aKNVEJA?t=1619

      Best wishes to p5p, and the critics... May Perl always prosper!
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      > p5p's goal isn't to build the finest, most technically excellent, most advanced piece of software at any point in time.

      Good point, but whose goal is it?

      Cheers Rolf
      (addicted to the Perl Programming Language :)
      Wikisyntax for the Monastery FootballPerl is like chess, only without the dice

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        I don't think it can be the goal of any project with users who aren't themselves developers, but I'm a pragmatist very much in the Unix/Perl/Worse is Better camp.

        Larry has a quote something like "The solution is ugly because the problem is ugly."

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