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Re^2: Log::Any with die and carp
by learnedbyerror (Monk) on Dec 19, 2018 at 14:37 UTC | |
perlancar First, thank you for taking the time to reply. I am only slightly familiar with Log::ger based upon a review of loggers that I performed about a year ago when I decided to take a look around. At that time, as now, I have been using and am very comfortable with Log::Log4perl. I remember being interested in Log::ger and strongly considered it as well as Log::Dispatch at that time. At that time, I decided that there wasn't a compelling reason to pull me away from Log::Log4perl. My goal at this point is a bit different than my previous search. Previously I was looking at loggers for my personal use. As I am now looking at log production for a module for CPAN, I have different criteria. My primary interest in Log::Any is based upon its goal of being a standard log production API agnostic of specific log consumption backends. While TIMTOWDI rules in perl, I perceive that Log::Any has somewhat become the defacto standard for this purpose though there are more reverse dependencies on CPAN for Log::Log4perl than there are for Log::Any I will take another look at Log::ger. Thanks again for your response. lbe | [reply] |
by perlancar (Hermit) on Dec 20, 2018 at 10:24 UTC | |
You're most welcome. Log::ger actually has more reverse dependencies on CPAN than Log::Any now. % lcpan rdeps Log::ger | wc -l 253 % lcpan rdeps Log::Any | wc -l 196 but all those Log::ger reverse deps are mine :-) (haven't found my first vict, er, author yet), while Log::Any is used on CPAN by a whooping 77 different authors: % lcpan rdeps Log::ger | td select author | sort | uniq PERLANCAR % lcpan rdeps Log::Any | td select author | sort | uniq | wc -l 77 I was a long-time Log::Any user before getting annoyed enough to write the replacement, so to tell you in short why I ditched Log::Any: it stopped being lightweight enough to use in some of my modules. Startup time increases by 5-10ms. And if you use Log::Any in your module, suddenly you will also depend on things like IO::File, FindBin, Storable, Sys::Syslog: % lcpan deps --phase runtime --rel requires Log::Any +----------------+----------+---------+---------+ | module | author | version | is_core | +----------------+----------+---------+---------+ | B | SHAY | 0 | 1 | | Carp | XSAWYERX | 0 | 1 | | Data::Dumper | XSAWYERX | 0 | 1 | | Exporter | TODDR | 0 | 1 | | Fcntl | SHAY | 0 | 1 | | File::Basename | SHAY | 0 | 1 | | FindBin | SHAY | 0 | 1 | | IO::File | TODDR | 0 | 1 | | Storable | XSAWYERX | 0 | 1 | | Sys::Syslog | SAPER | 0 | 1 | | Test::Builder | EXODIST | 0 | 1 | | constant | RJBS | 0 | 1 | | strict | SHAY | 0 | 1 | | warnings | SHAY | 0 | 1 | +----------------+----------+---------+---------+ % lcpan deps --phase runtime --rel requires Log::ger +--------------+----------+---------+---------+ | module | author | version | is_core | +--------------+----------+---------+---------+ | Data::Dumper | XSAWYERX | 0 | 1 | | parent | CORION | 0 | 1 | | strict | SHAY | 0 | 1 | | vars | SHAY | 0 | 1 | | warnings | SHAY | 0 | 1 | +--------------+----------+---------+---------+ Granted, all those modules are core, but this shows that Log::Any was not the tiny little module you can just sneak in to your module without much thought anymore, especially if you want your module to also be tiny. I have made Log::ger to be as light as strict or warnings so the impact of adding use Log::ger; to your module is really minimal. And this is really important to me because I want to be able to use logging pervasively in most (if not all) of my modules when necessary. Log::ger basically has all the features of Log::Any plus more, with less impact to your module users. As for Log::Dispatch, it has even much worse startup overhead. It will add ~100ms to your module's startup by loading a whole argument parameter framework (Specio, Params::ValidationCompiler) as well as many extras like Module::Runtime, File::Spec, Storable, Exception::Class, List::Util, so that's not acceptable for some cases. It will pull many non-core dependencies to your module. | [reply] [d/l] [select] |
by hippo (Archbishop) on Dec 20, 2018 at 12:01 UTC | |
Log::ger basically has all the features of Log::Any plus more, with less impact to your module users. Thanks very much for this comparative analysis. I was entirely ignorant of Log::ger before this and therefore was using Log::Any effectively by default. Your post gives encouragement to try Log::ger as a lightweight replacement. One minor off-topic nugget is that sort has a -u option which essentially replaces a vanilla sort | uniq and thereby saves you a process and could make the sort faster (dataset depending, of course). | [reply] [d/l] [select] |
by perlancar (Hermit) on Dec 20, 2018 at 12:21 UTC | |