I read with interest your post on bringing together users of all these clients, such as winmx and audiognome, in some sense of unity. I entered a linux chatroom as a linux newbie to ask for help many months ago. The room was on an opennap server that was part of a network called 'opencrap'. I wanted to learn how to configure opennap and teknap on my new o/s. I hardly had a chance to type before being killed from the server for using the audiognome client, by an admin called 'devnull'. This person's parting shot to me was 'audiognome? ewww...you suck!' I just wondered if this devnull, and the devnull you say you are know as, are related in any way? Cyder