Wow, that sucks, but I suspect you're right, especially in light of the flashback I just had to my OO courses in Uni.

So..... to be a lazy monk and program around it, or to build me a copy method.....

Actually I feel kinda dumb, because now that I think of it my objects have DBH's in them, which really shouldn't be copied I don't think.

Thanks!!! Tosh