if it isn't obvious? i am new to perl... thanx for the format scheme...MUCH easier to read...(lol)... i'll attack the cgi.pm issue when i get home tonight and see how that works. will it create a conflict if i read the posted form data prior to using the cgi.pm? my script returns to itself numerous time with different "functions". (oh...btw? i dont "GET" passwords...(*heh*) only POST them...i'm aware of the ?data=test carries the data in the url...not too secure...lol...it gets blanked then reread from the members file by userid....) thanx again...lemmie try to crash my server tonight with the new info.....